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Moderator: Hi, Rita. I'm just trying to figure out how to switch between video...


RitaZ: Hi, Steve, a plaesure to be here, can I help you...?


Moderator: Do you know anything about Elluminate?


RitaZ: I can see the video in a small window


Moderator: I've got video running on both of two machines, but I can only get the moderator video up.


RitaZ: a bit, yes, have presented here, but not used video


Moderator: I'm trying to get the video from my "test" machine up as well.


RitaZ: I can see it, though, how have you uploaded it?


Moderator: I think you're just seeing my video from the "moderator" account.


RitaZ: can hear sound too


RitaZ: not any more


RitaZ: good sound


Moderator: Do you have a mic there?


Moderator: I want to try both of us able to talk at the same time.


RitaZ: have you tried the "tools" tab?


Moderator: Yes, that's where I'm playing...


RitaZ: so you mean that if I didnt have mod privileges I wouldnt see it?


RitaZ: thats app sharing


RitaZ: will be bacl in 20 min


RitaZ: back


Moderator: Will come back before our start time. Just working on figuring out all of the Elluminate options.


RitaZ: how long from now is the interview, Steve?(Im in Argentina, 8 pm here)


Moderator: Two hours.


Moderator: You should be able to click the link on the wiki and set to your own time...


Moderator: Did you see that?


Moderator: Al, are you there?


Al Upton: just saw and found chat box


Moderator: Great.


Al Upton: u were there 4 a sec


Al Upton: can u hear me ...?


Moderator: No


Al Upton: I can here u .. top left something


Al Upton: hear*


Moderator: Are you clicking on the mic botton to speak?


Moderator: You have to in Elluminate.


Moderator: Bottom left.


Moderator: Or, bottom left in the default view.


Al Upton: yes I'm clicking it .. typing


Al Upton: what happened I'm not sure


Moderator: We'll be starting in about 50 minutes.


Carlos Raul Lopez Reatiga: Sorry to interrupt, what time will you start?


Al Upton: 6pm Pacific ... 9pm Eastern .... 11.30 Adelaide


Carlos Raul Lopez Reatiga: Thanks Adelaide


Moderator: http://alupton.edublogs.org/


Carlos Raul Lopez Reatiga: Sorry, I saw Adelaide and, stupidly, answered like that. Sorry Al.


Moderator (Al Upton): thats alright I thought it was fun


dnwallace: Hi Al


Moderator (Al Upton): hi Dave


Moderator (Steve Hargadon): 30 minutes away


dnwallace: cant


Moderator (Steve Hargadon): try now dave


Moderator (Steve Hargadon): Dave, I'm going to try and take you off and add me.


Moderator (Steve Hargadon): Good.


Moderator (Steve Hargadon): I think it worked.


dnwallace: take me off steve


Moderator (Steve Hargadon): Now I need to get me on.


dnwallace: yep


dnwallace: dropped me


dnwallace: cool


Moderator (Al Upton): had to a take hand off to talk - dave


dnwallace: ohhh


Moderator (Steve Hargadon): That was my fault.


Moderator (Steve Hargadon): Newbie


Moderator (Al Upton): nothing to do with hand - cool


dnwallace: lol


dnwallace: not taken


dnwallace: bye


Moderator (Al Upton): off now later


jume8: hello...


Sue Wyatt: G'day everyone, I don't have amicrophone but want to listen to chat


Moderator (Steve Hargadon): Howdy!


helenotway: Has it started yet?


Moderator (Steve Hargadon): No


Moderator (Steve Hargadon): 10 minutes


helenotway: Okay


Sue Wyatt: never been in here before so will probably make errors


Sue Wyatt: thanks


Rob: yep


Moderator (Al Upton): yep


rdrunner: yes it does - faster to clap than type yes


rdrunner: have to follow you


Rob: only facilitators can do that


Sue Wyatt: says it is protected


rdrunner: the screen navigation is showing protected


rdrunner: yes, that worked for me


Kay Good: Yes


Gail: yes, found it


rdrunner: sorry - only a user!


Rob: you can go to any screen and double click the eraser


johnlarkin: I am able to jump between screens 2 and 5


helen: you want to stay with follow the moderator


helenotway: Steve, is this being saved for later too? Can only stay a little.


helen: keeps everyone together


Lorna Costantini: hello everyone


Rob: sounds good


RitaZ: not being given permissions yet


PeggyG to Steve Hargadon, Al Upton: Hi everyone! Great to be here!


RitaZ: net been


PeggyG: Do we select "this room" if we want our message to go out to everyone and not just moderators?


rdrunner: yes


rdrunner: Hi Lorna. I'm Cindy @


helen: however, moderators can see all messages, even the private ones


Rob: knowing where we are from may be easier in the chat window..


Lorna Costantini: gr8 to see you cindy


RitaZ: please, could I have permissions?


RitaZ: cant write


RitaZ: ok, thanks


helen: you need to click on the A to use text


johnlarkin: sharing the public screen 6 is a little chaotic


helenotway: Do we need to add address though?


helenotway: okay


Tim L: Puyallup, WA


helenotway: I meant on twitter!


PeggyG: Yup!


Lorna Costantini: good to go


jume8: ready...


johnlarkin: when you are ready


Dan Rehman: I am ready.


johnlarkin: Happy Easter Al


johnlarkin: Sydney 12.00 Midday


RitaZ: 10 pm in Argentina


jim w: jim w 10 am Seoul


rdrunner: 7pm Calgary AB


stephen fink to Al Upton: does anyone know what caused the student site to be blocked


steveMadsenOz to Tim L: Hello from Australia, I know Washington State quite well.


Kay Good: kaygood: 8 pm Kansas, USA


Tim L: I am just south of Tacoma, Washington state


JLM: hi all ... a quick question: is my mic automatically muted, or do i need to be quiet here?


JLM: *happy to listen*


PeggyG: @Al-are student blogs in response to specific assignments from you or can they initiate their own topics?


Dan Rehman: I don't believe our mics are on.


RitaZ: Dan, the mic is "off" bec Al is speaking


Dan Rehman: Thank you.


helen: it is set to multiple talkers so you will be able to talk when you click on the talk icon


RitaZ: when the speaker stops talking then he clicks on his mic icon and it allows anybody to speak


steveMadsenOz: be polite, dont use microphone when moderator or guest is talking


RitaZ: its not possible


JLM to Sue Wyatt: hi Sue


JLM to Sue Wyatt: it's Michael Cridland from 6/7C in Brisbane here


Sue Wyatt: Hi Michael, glad this issue is being discussed


JLM to JLM: yes, definitely!


Sue Wyatt to JLM: Hi Michael, glad this is being discussed


MGuhlin: Durff, what did I miss?


JLM to Sue Wyatt: sorry last mesg went to everyone


Durff to Steve Hargadon, Al Upton: oh everything til now


Durff to Steve Hargadon, Al Upton: out to eat with friends...


Durff to Steve Hargadon, Al Upton: you missed all i missed


Durff to Steve Hargadon, Al Upton: i'm chatting to the wrong person, sorry steve


rdrunner: @mguhlin - mostly background so far, other than no formal written request for closure, all verbal so far


Durff: @Miguel i missed all up to this point too


mahlness: can we get Al on Video?


MGuhlin: @rdrunner Thanks!


PeggyG: Can you start a second page for questions?


rdrunner: http://aquaculturepda.edublogs.org


landonet: Hello All, here from Lima Perú


sharonp: the responses have been amazing and very touching at times


Durff: was this initiated by a parental concern?


MGuhlin to landonet: Hola de San Antonio, Texas!


Durff: Has that parent spoken to you, Al, personally?


sharonp: Dean Shareski and Miguel pointed us to that Vermont study on Online Predators - http://ideasandthoughts.org/page/2/


landonet to Carlos Raul Lopez Reatiga: Buenas


sharonp: the research in North America does not point the issue of online predators to be as big a problem as some have tried to make it


landonet to Carlos Raul Lopez Reatiga: Buenas, aqui de Lima, Perú


rdrunner: Sue's summary posts: http://tinyurl.com/2mztcs


Durff: does Al know if this closure order was prompted by one particular parent concern?


sharonp: I am wondering if this was an issue that was bound to happen to a blogging educator sooner or later... how it is handled by we blogging educators, the teacher in question, the school, the admin.... will be watched by many.....


Rob: those journalists must not be reading what is going on in the educational blogosphere


sharonp: Al is setting a precedent for all of us.... so glad he is handling this so wisely and with integrity


Christine Sklareski: Konrad - have you dealt with parent concern at all since you use blogs in your curriculum?


MGuhlin: Will all this attention worldwide have negative consequences for Al and MiniLegends?


mmiller7571: "worldwide" people don't understand blogging and our "purpose" anyone can put a negative spin on this but Al is sure handling it well


helenotway: Need to go now, sorry Al and Steve. Will listen to recording.


sharonp: Konrad deserves congrats for defending his PhD dissertation which deals with blogging with this students!


Rob: Cool, Al, nice to see you


Durff: it has been said that the best online safety tool is right between our ears - wise thought!


Sue Wyatt: I'm amazed that the parent didn't go to the paper before the department .....


Durff: so it was one parent?


Konrad: Christine: Yes. I also needed to have everything approved by the Research Ethics Committe at the university. It took three months to get that approval.


mmiller7571: I missed that it was a parent, I thought he didn't know where this was coming from


Durff: i wonder that the parent didn't talk to Al directly


rdrunner: his consent form on this blog post http://tinyurl.com/33ydrx


kstashuk: Tim L, your mic is still active i think


Durff: i could be in error there melissa


Durff: let me know someone


Tim L: Thanks!


mmiller7571: So if the site has been shut down how can "they" access it and investigate?


Moderator (Steve Hargadon): Stephen Fink--did you want to participate with a question?


jume8: I'm back....got disconected!


stephen fink to Al Upton: yes


Konrad: Christine: In order to get the permission from the Ethics Committe for research with "human subjects" I had to produce appropriate permission forms and have them signed by both the students and the parents. Then, submitted to the uni.


RitaZ: how old were your stds, Konrad?


Konrad: RitaZ: 13-14


Christine Sklareski: Konrad- will you continue to use blogs? At Educon, you seemed very excited by using them.


ColetteC: @Konrad I had to do the same for my Action Research


Dan Rehman: Al really has a great way of handling this situation.


helen: no pinting fingers - look to the positive!


Konrad: Christine: Absolutely! I think the level of engagement that emerges is very powerful. Al I think attested to that at the beginning of this session.


Konrad: Christine: Of course, I might find something else soon to focus on, but I am very interested in the sense of community that develops in a class blogosphere.


RitaZ: my youngest stds are 17, is that age supposed to need permission?


Durff: depends on your country


RitaZ: how to know?


helen: I was very interested in a post from a 17 year old who is very supportive of the minilegends as he is a blooger himself


RitaZ: very few teachers are blogging!


Christine Sklareski: I would think that getting permission would cover yourself but what if some parents wouldn't give permission?


johnlarkin: I can see the site and it is scrollable


mmiller7571: I have to scroll on my own to see it


PeggyG: We can scroll the page ourselves in the web tour


Sue Wyatt: each person can scroll their own view of Al's blog


Durff: we each need to scroll down


Konrad: RitaZ: in Canada, students under 18 need to get parental permission.


mmiller7571: it's not letting me connect


RitaZ: is there a law on blogging in Canada already?


Durff: below this chat melissa


mmiller7571: error so it'snot leeting me go ahead


Durff: type your question here


jume8: can't close the web tour window


Konrad: Christine: parents who declined in my case were told that the student's blog would not be publicly accessible or visible to his/her classmates. They changeed their minds overnight, mostly because of pressure from their own children!


mmiller7571: How is he being investigated or is the blog just closed? Did he have to turn over password and access to someone or is the blog just closed


Durff: steve has to


Sue Wyatt: and from 100 on are the kids comments


stephen fink to RitaZ: ritaZ--are there cultural differences in Argentina that supports blogging or not in school


Christine Sklareski: Konrad- so the students were still able to participate? just not get comments from other students and visitors only you, the instructor?


Rob: i wonder how many of the Mini - Legends have now started their own blogs?


Durff: his kids Sue?


Sue Wyatt: yeah his minilegends comments


ColetteC: The situation has certainly made me review what i do with my students - we are all processing the info w/ you Al


RitaZ: Stephen, blogging is not a common practice here, in my city(2nd in the country, Im the only one


Konrad: Christine: those whose parents declined could not participate in my PhD research. However, they still had blogs in the class blogosphere


Sue Wyatt: a mini mum at 148


stephen fink to RitaZ: is that because it is a new idea, or due to fear?


RitaZ: new idea


Sue Wyatt: mini parent 154


RitaZ: teachers dont care about technology too much


Rob: And 149 quotes the law - interesting


jume8: we are starting to use blogs among efl teachers.....the outcome of this case will probably provide us with critical info...


stephen fink to RitaZ: I am constantly surprised


Sue Wyatt: from Al himself 170


jume8: by we..I meant ..localy


mmiller7571: Thank you


Durff: hopefully they won't tell him, for his own protection


Rob: It's probably all over MySpace or Facebook


Durff: how old are these kids?


Carlos Raul Lopez Reatiga to Steve Hargadon, Al Upton: RitaZ, do you mean that because you and pehaps many of us are teachers? If we are here we DO care. Don't you think so?


Sue Wyatt: age 8 and 9


glen: Doo you have a teachers union or association and if so have they given you support


Durff: 8 & 9 is a bit young for MySpace - i would think Beebo


Rob: This will be something these kids will never forget. Would be interesting to see how they respond over the years and what they end up doing in the future.


ColetteC: When we block access to our students - they do turn around and use technology in inappropriate ways - which is another reason why we TEACH and EDUCATE our kids - not block


Durff: i've had 13 & 14 year olds start there own blogs - but they told me and I talked with their parents first so it was all good there


Durff: you''re right Colette


ColetteC: This issue is not just about blogging .. it can be extended to VoiceThread, Timelines, Flickr ...


RitaZ: yes, sure


Rob: I wonder who is most afraid of student blogging?


Christine Sklareski: Maybe the issue isn't about only educating the kids about new technologies but parents so they're not so afraid of it. But how?


Durff: exactly why we educate but at the same time, in USA, we must ensure we avoid liability


RitaZ: some teachers


Durff: so what is the solution?


Durff: maybe we should be educating the parents


johnlarkin: and educating the administrators


RitaZ: AND teachers first, in some places!


Konrad: @Christine: by sending letters home, by sending info about success stories, by giving them accounts so they can participate too or log in to see how empowered and engaged their children are


Durff: both of you are right


RitaZ: thats it, Konrad, we need to be convinced ourselves!


Durff: yuck - birdfood


mmiller7571: I am going to try to raise my hand again but if it doesn't work please don't wait for me


PeggyG: Great sense of humor in spite of challenges! Canary and tweets


Konrad: Yes, and share that sense of conviction


Durff: where does he go from here?


jume8 to Carlos Raul Lopez Reatiga: Hi carlos...may I ask you where you are?


jume8 to Carlos Raul Lopez Reatiga: What country I mean


shaun f to Al Upton: Good luck Al.


Carlos Raul Lopez Reatiga to Steve Hargadon, Al Upton: Mexico


Carlos Raul Lopez Reatiga to Steve Hargadon, Al Upton: What about u (jume8)?


stephen fink: cheers Al your work has been an inspiration


PeggyG: How do you write AUPs that ensure all teachers who set up online social networking sites are monitoring appropriately?


steveMadsenOz: Thank you for a most fascinating hour.


jume8: in deed


mmiller7571: Thank you awesome information and sorry it had to happen to such a great guy!


MGuhlin: Al, thanks so much for sharing your story!


Rob: Looking forward to hearing your progress over Twitter


RitaZ: thank you, Al, the best of luck!


rdrunner: Al, thanks very much for sharing and answering our questions.


ColetteC: The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible.”


PeggyG: Al you are an inspiration to all of us! Thank you for sharing your experience!


Moderator (Steve Hargadon): https://twitter.com/alupton


RitaZ: great quote, Collete


johnlarkin: Take care of yourself Al and put yourself and your family first


ColetteC: @Rita - that is the quote Al is referring to on his blog


Sue Wyatt: good luck Al and thanks for being that pioneer


chriswherley: thanks Al. Thanks Steve


Carlos Raul Lopez Reatiga to Steve Hargadon, Al Upton: Clap, clap, clap, clap


MGuhlin: Thanks Steve and Elluminate!


fang: Help Al and us aussies move forward on May 2nd http://talo.wikispaces.com/symposiumofreason


Dan Rehman: Thank you Al for sharing. Thank you Steve for moderating and thank you to everyone else for a great discussion.


Christine Sklareski: This has been great. Good luck, Al!


Carlos Raul Lopez Reatiga to Steve Hargadon, Al Upton: Same to you


jume8: THANK YOU


helen: I agree with you Al ... Respect, trust and empathy is what will triumph.


fang: thanks al and team


Konrad: Thanks Al and best of luck.


ColetteC: We're behind you all the way


mahlness: thanks al


eli: thanks


glen: Hang in Al Perfer et obdura; dolor hic tibi proderit olim


Durff: thank you Al and Steve!


Moderator (Al Upton): are you still there Steve?


Moderator: Yes, closing down the session


Moderator: If I can figure out how!


Moderator:


johnlarkin: al. you are still on audio


jonelle: Thanks and good luck!


johnlarkin: take care


Al Upton: thank you everyone