Classroom 2.0 LIVE webinar, "The Liberating New World of Open Educational Resources (OER): Copyright, Fair Use, and Open Licensing” presented by Dr. Royce Kimmons

April 2, 2016

00:35 to: tam

00:35 to: @plnaugle(Paula)
Welcome Dr. Royce. :)

00:44 to: Peggy George
We are thrilled to have Dr. Royce Kimmons here to share with us today!!!!

00:50 to: Royce Kimmons
Thank you, great to be here!

01:08 to: Peggy George (Royce Kimmons on Twitter)

01:15 to: Peggy George (Website for Royce Kimmons)

01:31 to: Peggy George
In case you missed the Livebinder link...

02:34 to: Peggy George
and I have learned that the copyright law is different in Canada than the U.S.

03:10 to: Peggy George
I think a copyright presentation is one of the hardest to give because of the importance of making sure all copyright laws have been followed. :-)

03:46 to: Peggy George
this connection between copyright and Open Ed Resources (OER) is so important!!!

04:00 to: Kim T. AZ
Peggy - I feel Ruth's presence.....

04:10 to: Peggy George
Welcome LucianeCurator! Glad you could join us!!

04:35 to: Peggy George
I was thinking exactly the same thing, Kim!! Our Copyright Queen for so many years!

04:41 to: LucianeCurator
:) Hi.

05:52 to: Kg
And - worse - in teacher prep programs, it is poorly modeled (IMHO).

05:52 to: Kim T. AZ
My mantra is....start with the administrators so they understand

06:04 to: Peggy George
So often copyright was boiled down to a chart with rules about how many minutes/words you can use.

06:20 to: Kg
@Peggy: yes...

07:15 to: Peggy George
I found when I was teaching it to pre-service teachers they got bogged down in all of their specific questions and always felt so confused because they wanted a "right/wrong" answer. Fair Use is so im

07:15 to: Peggy George
portant to understand!

07:20 to: Patti Ruffing
oh yes

07:20 to: Peggy George
Yes :-)

07:22 to: David Gonzalez

07:26 to: Jane Lofton

07:26 to: Kg
Great to start with Disney :)

07:33 to: stidmama
hello all

07:40 to: David Gonzalez
Hello Stidmama

07:52 to: Peggy George
Disney definitely controls their copyright!!

08:10 to: Peggy George
Hi @stidmama! Great to see you!!!

08:54 to: Peggy George
very interesting thought!!! did Disney get permission to use those characters they adapted??

09:03 to: Fern
Well, another problem is that the Grimm brothers and Hans Christian Andersen are not available to speak to (has been so for a long time!).

09:21 to: Peggy George
good point Fern!!

09:52 to: Peggy George
I included a link to the Canadian copyright laws in the Livebinder today.

10:47 to: Peggy George
that is so true about teacher perceptions!! so often teachers choose not to use something because they worry about breaking the law!

11:20 to: Susie @shighley 1
I've told my students that they are all copyright holders

11:42 to: Peggy George
please add your questions for Royce as you think of them and Lorie will save them to ask him during Q/A

12:12 to: Kim T. AZ
Thanks for the simply breakdown of information - not overwhelming

12:36 to: Peggy George
hahaha! the FBI warnings! :-)

12:44 to: Peggy George
always scary!!

12:48 to: @plnaugle(Paula)
Didn't know my lesson plans are copyrighted.

13:50 to: Kim T. AZ
I would be interested to know what our speaker thinks of Common Sense Media and how they handle this topic

14:10 to: Peggy George
Does that mean if a teacher shares a lesson plan on Twitter that you need to get their permission to re-tweet it?

14:59 to: @plnaugle(Paula)
Peggy, that's something to consider.

15:02 to: Peggy George
Shakespeare is a great example!

15:10 to: Susie @shighley 1
Aren't there some cases where organizations have applied to get the 70 years extended?

15:12 to: Patti Ruffing
It might be good of teachers who share via twitter would put a CC on their work

15:37 to: Susie @shighley 1
And it's easier to get in touch with people than it used to be

16:13 to: Kim T. AZ
CC = copyright confused....

16:23 to: Peggy George

16:31 to: Susie @shighley 1
We've had a lot of friction in our district about what materials created by teachers belong to them, and what belongs to the district

16:44 to: Peggy George
I included some great "copyright confused" resources in the Livebinder :-)

16:56 to: Kim T. AZ
@Susie - is this regarding teachers selling things on teachers pay teachers

17:45 to: Doug Henry in San Leandro CA
Can a school or university ever have automatic copyright ownership of a teacher's work? Or does that need to be part of a contract?

18:14 to: Peggy George
that's a great point Susie! I know most districts say that if the materials were created with district resources they belong to the district. But copyright still belongs to the teacher I think. Would

18:14 to: Peggy George
love to know what Royce thinks.

18:39 to: Peggy George
very helpful examples!!

19:17 to: Peggy George
it's the "probably" that always makes teachers nervous :-)

19:58 to: Doug Henry in San Leandro CA
Are the 4 factors equally important in determining Fair use?

20:03 to: Jane Lofton
Love these examples and how they are laid out.

20:22 to: Peggy George (University of Minnesota: Use this form to conduct a thorough four-factor review of your proposed use to determine if it is fair use.)

20:22 to: Patti Ruffing
I would really like to know Royce's thoughts on schools taking a whole popular song and having kids dance around the school or showcase the school. I don't know why these are not flagged on YouTube as

20:22 to: Patti Ruffing
the video they produce is more fun than educational.

20:53 to: Peggy George
I have heard that about any background music in classrooms

21:11 to: @plnaugle(Paula)
I've been guilty of this many times.

21:22 to: Tiziana Angiolini ( Italy)
I am aware that by making presentations I have problems : I have used THINGLINK for presentations but I have used pictures and I could not give credits .....they were not open demain!!!

21:25 to: Kim T. AZ
@Patti - good point. Bruno Mars Uptown Funk was used by one of our schools. Hard to not make a comment about using the entire song for their video!

21:36 to: Susie @shighley 1
Yes, what about all of these lip syncs, test pep session type videos?

21:40 to: Peggy George
wow! had no idea about Teachers Pay Teachers!

22:13 to: Patti Ruffing
@Susie yes those are the videos I am talking about. Motivational=Educational?

22:14 to: Peggy George
so if you purchase it you can use it but not share it???

22:32 to: Kim T. AZ
What about teachers that give away their lessons and materials on Teachers Pay Teachers, still the same?

23:00 to: Peggy George
@Susie your question reminded me of the lip syncing students often do in school talent shows.

23:40 to: Susie @shighley 1
How about when a principal tells you to show a school-wide movie?

23:41 to: Peggy George
those kinds of rules are so restrictive though (10%/3%, etc)

23:47 to: Patti Ruffing
@Peggy, I would think that a talent show that is performed live would be okay but if someone videos it and then puts it online that would be different

24:01 to: Kg
...but Disney might??!

24:10 to: @plnaugle(Paula)
So should all school districts have "fair use" policies?

24:20 to: Peggy George
good point Patti! often those talent shows are video taped :-)

24:39 to: Susie @shighley 1
We did have a school district sued by a photographer because a student used one of his photographs in a power point presentation that was posted on the web. Apparently he makes a lot of money that wa

24:39 to: Susie @shighley 1

24:49 to: Patti Ruffing
Showing the movie at school for a reward purpose is against the restrictions shown at the beginning of the movie

24:51 to: Peggy George
wow! love that point about not sharing because we don't know!!!

25:18 to: Tani Sapp
Does this apply to work under Creative Commons?

25:22 to: @plnaugle(Paula)
Is showing a movie in the school cafeteria at night a violation of copyright?

25:32 to: Peggy George (“opyright and Open Licensing”hapter in open textbook)

25:51 to: Patti Ruffing
@paula, I think it is if you show the whole thing and it is someone's personal copy

25:56 to: Kim T. AZ
Our schools got through the process of purchasing a movie ($$$) for schoolwide activities, such as movie night.

26:07 to: Kim T. AZ
Not got....goes

26:17 to: @plnaugle(Paula)
Did I hear that Amazon is starting an OER section for educators?

26:32 to: Kim T. AZ
Wow, will need to check that out, Paula!

26:40 to: Peggy George
that is definitely one of the big confusions!! free is more than just cost

26:48 to: Peggy George
yes Paula!

27:17 to: stidmama
When our school shows a movie for multiple classes, plus parents -- when it will be available to the community, it buys a license. But not for an individual teacher in the teacher's own classroom if

27:17 to: stidmama
the teacher owns the copy of the movie.

28:17 to: @plnaugle(Paula)
If I purchase a movie, am I allowed to show it to my class?

29:11 to: stidmama
Question for Royce -- when I use Google Classroom/Apps with my kids and the research feature from there, are those images and such okay to use? When I make a presentation for the class or school, I t

29:11 to: stidmama
ry to find Creative Commons materials.

29:12 to: Peggy George
no I don't think so Paula. it's purchased for individual use

29:45 to: Peggy George (Open content providers)

30:05 to: Peggy George
Project Gutenberg has awesome resources for older books!

30:45 to: Susie @shighley 1
Can you turn it into a play then?

30:45 to: Doug Henry in San Leandro CA
Our 4th graders are reading a Project Gutenberg version of Treasure Island and listening to the excellent Librivox recording

31:22 to: Peggy George
love that idea Doug!!

31:44 to: Peggy George

32:04 to: Peggy George (About Creative Commons licenses) (Creative Commons License Chooser)

32:48 to: Patti Ruffing
There is a lot of confusion about the ND aspect of Creative Commons

32:49 to: @plnaugle(Paula)
LibriVox poem collection you could play for April's Poetry Month

32:53 to: Peggy George
so glad to know that! I use Wikipedia all the time but hadn't really noticed the notation about CC on it!

32:59 to: Susie @shighley 1
It's fun to show students the tools and choices using google images and CC categories. They are amazed

33:25 to: Jane Lofton
Flickr also offers a filter you can use after you do an initial search

33:36 to: Peggy George (The Practically Painless Guide to Citing Images from Flickr)

33:36 to: Kim T. AZ
We have a teacher who is going to have his students take pictures and post them to It is to understand being part of a community and sharing your work.

33:48 to: Peggy George (Search engine for high quality Creative Commons Flickr images)

34:11 to: Peggy George
Love these photos! (Photos for Class: Creative Commons photos for school with citations)

34:12 to: Doug Henry in San Leandro CA
Does any music come out under creative commons?

34:20 to: Kim T. AZ
Love this search function in Google images!

34:33 to: Peggy George (Infographic: Can I Use That Picture?)

34:49 to: Peggy George (OER Commons)

34:50 to: Patti Ruffing
One of my students was very surprised once when she heard from the owner of a photo. She had cited the photo correctly at the end of her blog post and the owner must have gotten a pingback that it was

34:50 to: Patti Ruffing
used, so she wrote a nice comment to the student

34:54 to: Kg
WHen you use tools like edpuzzle and educanon (cannot remember the new name) to annotate a video, is that OK?

35:17 to: Susie @shighley 1
Great question, Kg

35:49 to: Peggy George
these slides are so helpful! very clear!

36:00 to: @plnaugle(Paula)
Using the Insert>Image>Search within a Google doc automatically pulls images that are free to use.

36:15 to: Peggy George
I'll add his Slides to our Livebinder so you can go back to them later.

36:23 to: Doug Henry in San Leandro CA
@Kg: adding the edpuzzle stuff would be transformative and informational...

36:50 to: David Gonzalez
Thanks for adding the slides to the livebinder, Peggy. This is all great info.

37:03 to: Kg
@Doug: Yes, that is how I have assumed...just was checking. TY.

37:59 to: Susie @shighley 1
I guess one of my biggest questions about OER: how to you ensure quality? (I guess it's the same with traditional textbooks)

38:00 to: Kg
California state system is really pushing hard on this.

39:04 to: Kg
@Susie: Absolutely an essential question...there is lots of vetting that we all need to do.

39:08 to: Peggy George
yes Susie! Previewing the resources would be a high priority!

39:19 to: Patti Ruffing
@Susie even traditional textbooks can have errors, and they are harder to keep updated

39:56 to: Fern
... reminds me of research showing that Wikipedia had fewer mistakes than Encyclopedia Britannica!

40:00 to: Peggy George
but with OER resources you can always use them as a starting point and modify it to improve it to better meet your needs

40:04 to: Susie @shighley 1
The time has flown!

40:12 to: Patti Ruffing
@Fern, I was just going to write the same thing!

40:28 to: Fern
Funny, huh?

41:03 to: Peggy George (Copyright crash course)

41:03 to: Tani Sapp
Is there a digital library of oer textbooks that districts can use as a starting place?

41:20 to: Peggy George (“opyright and Open Licensing”hapter in open textbook)

41:20 to: LucianeCurator #2
I used also with my SEN students OER

41:37 to: Peggy George (Open Education Group research publications)

41:46 to: stidmama
This has been VERY helpful!

41:50 to: Peggy George
that was fantastic Royce!!!! so helpful!!

41:56 to: Doug Henry in San Leandro CA
Can parts of a work (images...) be OER even though the whole work is copyright?

42:00 to: David Gonzalez
Awesome presentation Royce!

42:02 to: Fern
Wow, that was a great overview! I know some things are different in Germany, where I am, but this was a fantastic way of understanding the basics.

42:18 to: Peggy George
thank you all for asking your questions! We'll try to get through all of them. :-)

44:49 to: Susie @shighley 1
Fern: I found some interesting links about copyright in Canada and Europe via EU when I was looking for other things

45:35 to: LucianeCurator #2
I think on Twitter you can rT or like what you want.

45:53 to: Peggy George
I always leave with so many questions after these sessions! Using the Fair Use guide is really helpful in thinking these decisions through! (University

45:53 to: Peggy George
of Minnesota: Use this form to conduct a thorough four-factor review of your proposed use to determine if it is fair use.)

46:04 to: Peggy George (University of Minnesota: The Copyright Decision Map has been adapted as Can I Use It? A Map of Use Issues)

46:06 to: Jane Lofton
In addition to feeling free to link to something, I have always felt that anything (like YouTube) providing embed code is implicitly allowing me to embed it, and that the credit is taken care of by th

46:06 to: Jane Lofton
e info within the video. Do you agree?

46:48 to: Susie @shighley 1
My district forced a teacher into signing an agreement like that, and later they put it into our contract

46:57 to: Patti Ruffing
If they didn't want you to embed they wouldn't provide the code, but the embed code on youtube always goes back to the YouTube site

47:08 to: Susie @shighley 1
She had created imaginative math things on her own time at home, but had used them in her classroom

47:20 to: Peggy George
love that question Jane! Sometimes when I click on the youtube link it says it is not shared publicly and be careful when sharing it

47:30 to: clinds
If you are using an image and convinced it falls under fair use (like the one you mentioned earlier in your presentation), do you still have to include a citation?

48:12 to: Peggy George
no pressure, librarians :-)

49:00 to: Peggy George
that was my understanding about purchased movies too--not for public viewing

49:25 to: Patti Ruffing
Lori, don't forget to ask Royce his opinion of the lib dubs that schools make

49:51 to: Peggy George
yes! would love his response about lip syncing :-)

50:04 to: Susie @shighley 1
During my MLS program, we spent an entire class period with a lawyer with copyright training. You have reinforced just about everything he said

50:37 to: Peggy George (Tools for supporting the fair use reasoning process)

51:00 to: Peggy George
that is awesome Susie!!!

51:14 to: Patti Ruffing
Is it correct that a CC licensed musical work that is marked ND cannot be used as background music?

52:05 to: Peggy George
playing background music in class would not be transformative

52:18 to: Patti Ruffing
I meant background for a video

52:38 to: Tammy Moore
You Tube provides music you can use.

52:46 to: Peggy George
ck12 is my favorite too

52:53 to: @plnaugle(Paula)
I've run into that a lot more lately - on YouTube - this video has been removed because of copyright violation.

52:56 to: Peggy George

53:17 to: Patti Ruffing
I believe people think if they haven't changed the music in any way they have not created a derivative work, but I think ND means it can't be used in any other work.

53:22 to: Peggy George
me too Paula even when I have obtained permission to use the content. Still have to go through the appeal.

53:52 to: Peggy George (Center for Social Media: Fair Use in Online Video)

54:26 to: Peggy George
There are some great tutorials/examples here: (Videos about Creative Commons)

54:42 to: Patti Ruffing
even creative commons has to be cited

55:11 to: stidmama
I am so glad I was able to get our internet working so I could be here! This has been one of the more helpful and useful sessions (and I love them all!).

55:24 to: Patti Ruffing
the CC wiki shows you how to do that

55:33 to: stidmama
Better to cite when not needed than not cite when it was.

55:52 to: Jane Lofton
I like to always model good digital citizenship by citing sources, even if they are in the public domain.

55:53 to: Peggy George
agree @stidmama!!

56:24 to: Kg

56:35 to: Kg
the tool brings it in

57:10 to: Kg
Good answer. ty

57:37 to: Patti Ruffing
Best practices for CC attribution:

57:47 to: Peggy George
thanks Patti!

57:49 to: Tiziana Angiolini ( Italy)
The same with ZAPTION: I use videos and then write questions and tests...

58:03 to: Susie @shighley 1
I didn't know that education had changed to play

58:03 to: Peggy George
lots of CC music :-) Jamendo is great

58:03 to: Patti Ruffing is one, jamendo also

58:14 to: Susie @shighley 1
That was education

58:16 to: Royce Kimmons

58:25 to: Patti Ruffing
i used a cc music track from freesound and still got flagged by youtube; I had to fight it

58:27 to: Susie @shighley 1

59:13 to: Peggy George (Copyright Friendly Music and Sound)

59:17 to: Kg
What a helpful session

59:19 to: @plnaugle(Paula)
Jamendo -

59:21 to: Patti Ruffing
Wonderful information Royce, thank you so much!

59:21 to: Doug Henry in San Leandro CA
Great webinar - thanks!

59:23 to: Peggy George (Spartan Guides: Tools, tutorials, and all sorts of resources to help you successfully navigate the research process! CopyrightFriendly/Cre

59:23 to: Peggy George
ative Commons/Fair Use)

59:37 to: Susie @shighley 1
This was great!

59:40 to: Kim T. AZ
Another remarkable show! A bit confused, but ready to address a few more questions from educators.

59:52 to: stidmama
:-D See you-all in a week.

59:55 to: @plnaugle(Paula)
Thank you so much. Dr. Royce Kimmons. This webinar was so helpful.

1:00:01 to: tam
thank you, this was very informative!

1:00:02 to: Royce Kimmons
You're welcome, and thank you all! The bottom line: copyright and fair use are fuzzy, so OER is great!

1:00:34 to: Nina P
Great session!

1:00:35 to: Tiziana Angiolini ( Italy)
Thanks a lot...(y)(y)(y)(y)

1:00:42 to: Peggy George (Spartan Guides: Tools, tutorials, and all sorts of resources to help you successfully navigate the research process! CopyrightFriendly/Cre

1:00:42 to: Peggy George
ative Commons/Fair Use)

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Have a great wekend everyone. :)

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1:03:10 to: Peggy George
thank you all for joining us!! have a great weekend!

1:03:21 to: Kg
As always, a super session. TY for all of the logistics and resources.

1:03:28 to: Peggy George
thanks for all of your excellent questions!!!

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