October 16, 2010 CLASSROOM 2.0 LIVE




00:03 to: Peggy George
it is 82 degrees at 9:00am in Phoenix

00:03 to: Sharon
Anyone from the Chicago area? What's the projected forecast for late next week?

00:14 to: Peggy George
Here we go!!! Thank you all for joining us today!!

00:15 to: McTeach (Karen)
Hi Kim!

00:20 to: McTeach (Karen)
Good Morning everyone!

00:26 to: SusanSi
A beautiful fall day in Texas-warming up to the 80s

00:36 to: Peggy George
Hi McTeach! So great to see you again. You can relax and enjoy this one today!!

00:38 to: matt montagne 1
Hi All!!!!

00:41 to: Kim Caise
hope all is well with her

00:48 to: Lisa Mellen
@McTeach Great show last week!

01:03 to: McTeach (Karen)
Thanks Peggy! Definitely more relaxed today!

01:11 to: Peggy George
sometimes if you're new you don't know how to click on the green check :-)

01:11 to: McTeach (Karen)
Thank you, Lisa!

01:12 to: Deborah J. Boyd
sort of new

01:45 to: Peggy George
we're so glad you're here! if you have questions during the show feel free to type them in the chat and we'll help you

01:55 to: SusanSi
echoing audio

02:12 to: SusanSi
ok now

02:12 to: Peggy George
if you're hearing an echo maybe you have something else open

02:16 to: Peggy George
no echo for me

02:19 to: Lorie Moffat
no

02:22 to: Peggy George
great!

02:25 to: zegna
no

03:18 to: Tracy Fitzwater
Hi Sue Neese :-)

03:33 to: Sue Neese
Hi Tracy. (-:

03:46 to: Tracy Fitzwater
Here we are again!

03:54 to: Peggy George
http://live.classroom20.com/archive-and-resources.html (Classroom 2.0 LIVE Archives and Resources for all recordings and links)

04:03 to: Paula Naugle (@plnaugle) 1
Good morning everyone from the Great Mississippi River Balloon Race in Natchez, MS.

04:10 to: Peggy George
Hi Paula!

04:21 to: Paula Naugle (@plnaugle) 1
Hi Peggy.

04:24 to: Peggy George
the part I love!!! red dots on the map!!

04:26 to: Lisa Mellen
Hi Paula!

04:37 to: Paula Naugle (@plnaugle) 1
Hi Lisa.

04:39 to: McTeach (Karen)
Yay! Love this part!

04:41 to: Peggy George
if your dot doesn't go where you want it you can click and drag it

04:48 to: Lothar Jurk 1
sometimes echos again

04:51 to: thos
guam

04:52 to: Kim Caise
they out for a swim

04:56 to: Sal
NJ

04:56 to: Paula Naugle (@plnaugle) 1
Good morning McTeach (Karen).

04:57 to: matt montagne 1
nice, folks from all over

04:59 to: Lorie Moffat
PA

05:00 to: Jennifer Hoyte
Florida

05:02 to: nancyvonw
hi from Prague

05:03 to: alicebarr
Hello from Maine

05:04 to: Kim Caise
probably bandwidth issues

05:05 to: scott
Boston...Mass

05:07 to: McTeach (Karen)
Good morning Paula!

05:09 to: Kim Caise
i dont hear an echo

05:09 to: aclemos
(Cristina): Leiria, Portugal

05:10 to: Dennis Maloney
Guayaquil, Ecuador

05:12 to: glumb
ft. Riley, KS

05:12 to: thos
Thos: guam

05:12 to: Lothar Jurk 1
Berlin

05:12 to: Deborah J. Boyd
I am not hearing an echo

05:15 to: Esther
from Iowa

05:18 to: Sue Neese
Olympic Peninsula, Washington

05:23 to: McTeach (Karen)
Hi Alice!! Hope it's a great day in Maine!!!

05:23 to: AndreaHildreth
San Francisco

05:29 to: roxanne clement 1
alameda, california

05:30 to: Peggy George
love seeing all of you here!!!

05:32 to: Tracy Fitzwater
Really not out in the Pacific - Olympic Peninsula, WA

05:32 to: Helene Wyskup 1
Ottawa, Ontario Canada from Helene Wyskup

05:34 to: clinds
Virginia

05:36 to: McTeach (Karen)
Northern California here...not far from Matt!

05:44 to: Lisa Mellen
CT

05:53 to: Peggy George
don't you feel like a "star" when you see your red dot blinking?? :-)

06:06 to: Peggy George
I am now but wasn't a month ago!

06:13 to: matt montagne 1
This is a resource that I'm going to refer to a bit...it just contains links and what not: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EWNQ39gRl7bZK2jPcpQ3V8-XDe3kj15rskGPSEIvbZ4/edit?hl=en

06:19 to: Paula Naugle (@plnaugle) 1
Yes, I do Peggy. We are all stars.

06:21 to: Helene Wyskup 1
Where is it?

06:24 to: Peggy George
perfect!!! Matt has some exciting stuff to share!

06:42 to: Helene Wyskup 1
I do not know where to vote?

07:02 to: Larry
Its the green check mark near the top

07:04 to: Paula Naugle (@plnaugle) 1
@Helene below the participants window.

07:05 to: Peggy George
click on the green check/red x below the list of participants

07:09 to: McTeach (Karen)
Helene...the red x and green check near the blue door

07:14 to: matt montagne 1
also, I'm going to broadcast video via ustream...only use this if you feel as though you have enough bandwidth: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/digital-down-low-tv

07:20 to: Helene Wyskup 1
Thank you!

08:04 to: McTeach (Karen)
Does that include online workshops?

08:04 to: Patti R
Just finished the Wilkes Discovery grad course on PBL

08:08 to: Peggy George
voting can be confusing sometimes because you think you need to check on the red x/green check on the slide--but you don't :-)

09:02 to: Peggy George
our gl.am links are here (all of the links for today's show): http://gl.am/6wgpU

09:14 to: Paula Naugle (@plnaugle) 1
Good morning, Matt.

09:17 to: Peggy George
if Matt shares additional links during the session I'll add them to the gl.am links

09:23 to: McTeach (Karen)
Yay Matt!!!

09:47 to: Peggy George
Stanford is really doing some creative, innovative things!

10:06 to: Martin
I thought the name was familiar

10:18 to: McTeach (Karen)
Well, I just have to add...Go Bears!!!

10:39 to: Peggy George
http://www.amazon.com/Change-Design-Transforms-Organizations-Innovation/dp/0061766089 (Tim Brown-Change by Design: How Design Thinking Transforms Organizations and Inspires Learning)

11:13 to: Peggy George
http://middleschoolblog.blogspot.com(Matt Montagne's professional blog: The Digital Down Low)

11:32 to: Peggy George
http://www.castilleja.org/ (Castilleja School: All Girls' School-Gr. 6-12; Motto: Women Learning, Women Leading)

11:56 to: Peggy George
Castilleja is such a fantastic school!!

12:14 to: Peggy George
http://sites.google.com/a/castilleja.org/montagneportfolio/ (Matt Montagne's Portfolio)

12:14 to: Sal 1
we do that too

12:32 to: Sal 1
would love to share notes

12:39 to: Martin
Is that encouraging open source use?

12:40 to: Peggy George
that makes so much sense!! the platform isn't important--just need the tool

12:52 to: AndreaHildreth
doesn't that make it more difficult for the teacher?

13:04 to: Sal 1
It can

13:12 to: Sal 1
pros and cons

13:14 to: Jan G.
Would love to have the flexibility of choice.

13:27 to: Lisa Mellen
Any one use Schoology?

13:37 to: Peggy George
@Sal-you'll see lots of detail about how Matt has rolled out some of these different things in his school on his blog

13:41 to: AndreaHildreth
Great to help students be aware of OS choices

13:42 to: donakimberly
If you have a 1:1 environment isn't it logical to use all the saem programs?

13:48 to: Martin
That is what I explained to my committees in the early 1990s - digital is universal "language" for end users

14:08 to: Peggy George
https://sites.google.com/a/castilleja.org/google-transition/ How they transitioned to Google Apps

14:13 to: clinds
That's great that your network administrator is okay with this. Our network is very locked down due to concern about viruses, etc.

14:27 to: Martin
platform independent

14:44 to: Kim Caise
http://middleschoolblog.blogspot.com/

14:53 to: Kim Caise
matt's blog

14:56 to: Peggy George
http://middleschoolblog.blogspot.com/2009/04/moodle-google-integration-moogoogle.html Moodle/google integration

14:59 to: Kim Caise
ahhhhhh

15:03 to: aclemos
:-)

15:07 to: McTeach (Karen)
Ahhhhhhh!!!!!

15:09 to: Peggy George
yeah!!! Love seeing baby Morgan :-)

15:14 to: Paula Naugle (@plnaugle) 1
Baby Morgan is tooo cute!!!!

15:25 to: Paula Naugle (@plnaugle) 1
Where is our AHHHH button?

15:29 to: Peggy George
so cute! looks like you Matt!

15:34 to: McTeach (Karen)
Rock on!!!

15:36 to: Kim Caise
too cute!

15:39 to: Peggy George
yes!!! Skype! diaper skyper :-)

15:43 to: Martin
great pictures - cool name - truly - no gadget left behnd

16:02 to: jackiegerstein
Hi All - love jumping in to hear Matt already engaging in experiential learning

16:10 to: Paula Naugle (@plnaugle) 1
Hi Jackie.

16:37 to: Sal
Thanks

16:39 to: Paula Naugle (@plnaugle) 1
Great educators are truly great at harvesting great ideas.

16:50 to: jackiegerstein
Thanks for the tweet Paula - I just got back from Zumba and was wondering what was up for Classroom 2.0 - Matt is such a treat

16:52 to: Martin
these comments - isn't that a true knowledge base?

17:14 to: Peggy George
that's the exciting part about PLNs-we can always learn new things from each other and don't need to be "experts"!

17:16 to: Paula Naugle (@plnaugle) 1
You're welcome, Jackie. Glad you could join us.

17:18 to: Jan G.
"harvesting ideas"...love that! Sounds better than "stealing". Hee Hee.

17:39 to: Paula Naugle (@plnaugle) 1
@Jan G. Yes, it is a much better term.

17:46 to: Peggy George
http://www.amazon.com/Change-Design-Transforms-Organizations-Innovation/dp/0061766089 (Tim Brown-Change by Design: How Design Thinking Transforms Organizations and Inspires Learning)

17:47 to: jackiegerstein
http://www.ideo.com/cbd

18:00 to: Peggy George
http://www.ted.com/talks/tim_brown_urges_designers_to_think_big.html (TED Global 2009: Tim Brown Urges Designers to Think Big-from consumption to participation)

18:10 to: Peggy George
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EWNQ39gRl7bZK2jPcpQ3V8-XDe3kj15rskGPSEIvbZ4/edit?hl=en#

18:40 to: jackiegerstein
I always forget hastag for Classroom 2.0?

18:52 to: Paula Naugle (@plnaugle) 1
Still reading the Book Whisperer recommended by @McTeach(Karen) last Saturday. Loving it, thanks Karen.

19:07 to: Peggy George
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M66ZU2PCIcM Ideo shopping cart link

19:15 to: McTeach (Karen)
Yay Paula!! I so love that book!!!!!

19:26 to: glumb
I am reading the Book whisperer to due to McTeach's recommendation. Very good.

19:33 to: McTeach (Karen)
You should follow Donalyn on Twitter...she's always posting reviews of books.

19:41 to: Paula Naugle (@plnaugle) 1
It delivers such a powerful message @McTeach.

19:48 to: Lorna Costantini
#liveclass20

19:49 to: Peggy George
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjwUn-aA0VY Ted Brown's video on creativity and play

19:51 to: jackiegerstein
thx

19:55 to: Maureen@bcdtech
@Paula- I just got it from Amazon yesterday... just finished the outsiders last nite- another rec from last week

20:01 to: McTeach (Karen)
The D school???

20:13 to: Sheryl
Good morning!

20:26 to: Paula Naugle (@plnaugle) 1
LO

20:28 to: jackiegerstein
BOOO

20:29 to: McTeach (Karen)
LOL!

20:31 to: Kim Caise
lol

20:34 to: McTeach (Karen)
That's how I felt last week!

20:35 to: Paula Naugle (@plnaugle) 1
LOL too funny, Matt.

20:36 to: Peggy George
Stanford d.School on the Web - check their websites for their regular Friday tour schedule-if you are ever in the Bay Area, do stop by for a tour! http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fdschool.stan

20:36 to: Peggy George
ford.edu%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNH5mbJKcsZnrOimmylsg_w4Lk5ZwQ

20:41 to: Peggy George
NOT true!!!!

20:57 to: Peggy George
we carefully select our special guests!!

21:11 to: Paula Naugle (@plnaugle) 1
I love their modesty. Karen and Matt rock!!

21:25 to: McTeach (Karen)
Thanks Peggy and Paula!

21:37 to: Paula Naugle (@plnaugle) 1
100 Things in 5 minutes. Wow.

21:50 to: Peggy George
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1h5L_0rFz8 How to Brainstorm Effectively - video from a few Stanford Design School students.

22:23 to: Martin
direct - real tme application - Great

22:29 to: Peggy George
that's amazing!! so much brainstorming in 5 mins!!

22:45 to: jackiegerstein
no thanks

22:51 to: Jan G.
Sounds like a nightmare.

23:04 to: Peggy George
I was the principal and had to manage school scheduling every year!! Takes hours!!!

23:19 to: Peggy George
and you can never make everyone happy!

23:31 to: Jan G.
Anyone try the brainstorming and prototype idea with primary students?

23:36 to: Maureen@bcdtech
LIke most committees unfortuantely. I suggested adding students to our all school tech committee- have no voice! We need them

23:45 to: Peggy George
How NOT to Brainstorm - rejoinder to the previous video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttWhK-NO4g8&feature=related

23:49 to: jackiegerstein
http://middleschoolblog.blogspot.com/2010/10/design-thinking-lesson-with-sophomores.html

23:58 to: April Brown @maxxakahotdog
I was wondering the same thing Jan G.

24:27 to: Peggy George
Matt Montagne’ tour of Stanford’ d.School - a little summary along with short videos of this unique space on Stanford’ campus http://middleschoolblog.blogspot.com/2010/03/stanford-dschool-tour.html

24:38 to: April Brown @maxxakahotdog
I'm thinking less items and perhaps a little more time. They might get hung up on not having all the items even though that's not what it's about

24:48 to: Paula Naugle (@plnaugle) 1
Not yet @Jan G. I teach 4th graders and would love to see what they come up with.

24:57 to: Peggy George
Photos/Video of Matt’ Design Thinking lesson on Flickr http://www.flickr.com/photos/mjmonty/tags/designthinking/

25:07 to: Peggy George
this will be fun!!!

25:19 to: jackiegerstein
rock and roll, Matt

25:30 to: Peggy George
I'm so glad this room is filled with such creative people!!

25:55 to: Tracy Fitzwater
I like the intervention idea!

26:04 to: Sal
something is happening with the sound

26:18 to: Sal
got better

27:17 to: Peggy George
this list is really helpful!!

27:57 to: jackiegerstein
All the time

27:58 to: Kim Caise
many time

27:59 to: Tracy Fitzwater
@ Sue N - this could help hs meetings, don't you think?

27:59 to: McTeach (Karen)
Oh yeah!

28:02 to: Peggy George
if your sound fluctuates it is usually a bandwidth problem--elluminate will try to catch up so you may hear the chipmunk voice

28:07 to: McTeach (Karen)
It usually is

28:16 to: Sue Neese
@ Tracy...yes!

28:29 to: Peggy George
we're not used to feeling comfortable sharing wild ideas!

28:41 to: Peggy George
love that slide!

29:55 to: Peggy George
we were going to use that image in our show announcement and decided it needed too much explanation :-) but definitely captures the process!

29:57 to: Kim Caise
great visual for showing interrelatedness

30:12 to: Peggy George
love all of those loops!

30:26 to: Deborah J. Boyd
what this shows in non-linear connection

30:36 to: Peggy George
we need stair steps for our typical routines in schools :-)

30:47 to: Peggy George
yes Deborah!!! non-linear!!

31:05 to: Jan G.
Too risky for many.

31:10 to: Martin
real reform - front line to upper level support

31:21 to: Peggy George
I think we have to "unlearn" somethings before we feel comfortable doing design thinking :-)

31:33 to: Jan G.
For sure, Peggy.

31:38 to: Tracy Fitzwater
this makes kids uncomfortable, because they're used to right or wrong, and they don't think teachers listen to their ideas

31:45 to: Paula Naugle (@plnaugle) 1
Agreed @Peggy.

31:53 to: glumb
I love fail sooner so you can succeed sooner!

31:54 to: Peggy George
teachers too!! Tracy

32:09 to: Peggy George
http://middleschoolblog.blogspot.com/2010/10/design-thinking-lesson-with-sophomores.html (Matt Montagne: Design Thinking Lesson with Sophomores)

32:16 to: Tracy Fitzwater
especially teachers - at least at my school!

32:42 to: jackiegerstein
Students get stuck in the school paradigms at a very young age - I am witnessing the indoctrination of kindergarten - quiet, walk in lines, sit quietly in desks - and I am at a good school!

32:51 to: Jan G.
Once students get a taste of the freedom this brings, many love it.

32:51 to: Sue Neese
Well, *some* teachers...

33:07 to: Tracy Fitzwater
ok - "some", Sue. :-)

33:09 to: Beto
Some of the "best" students who get A's feel threatened by this process. They find that some deep thinking is capable by the "other" students.. How does one scaffold that

33:31 to: jackiegerstein
Love the d-school philosophy - it is quite amazing

33:35 to: Patti R
@Jackie, nothing wrong with learning to have some sense of order but not the idea that that is what makes you a "good" student

33:45 to: Peggy George
http://nuevaschool.org/programs/i-lab Nueva School’ iLab (Innovation Lab) - this design lab is run by Kim Saxe, who is also a facilitator/fellow in Stanford’ K12 Lab

34:09 to: Sue Neese
@Beto...I agree...it's often the A students who are afraid of this sort of open-ended process.

34:12 to: Martin
Toffler stated it best - "The illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read and write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn."

34:18 to: jackiegerstein
@Patti - sense of order and non-questioning compliance - two different things

34:29 to: Peggy George
David Kelley on Design Thinking - video of David’ conversation with new students to the d.School. http://vimeo.com/6755318

34:44 to: Tracy Fitzwater
@ Martin - thanks for that quote; so true!

35:19 to: Peggy George
d.School K12 Lab Wiki - Great space to find resources on utilizing design thinking methodologies in K12 settings https://dschool.stanford.edu/groups/k12/

35:28 to: jackiegerstein
Also fits with Tinkering School http://www.tinkeringschool.com/

35:46 to: Martin
your welcome. these are great flow of concepts for 21st centrury learning. Too bad that many formulas forget forward thinking.

35:52 to: Peggy George
yes Martin!! That is one of my favorite quotes! We need to constantly be reminded of it!

35:56 to: Kim Caise
outliers i think?

35:59 to: Larry
Wisdom of crowds

36:18 to: Peggy George
love the Ford quote!

36:55 to: Larry
Thinking beyond what we have to accomplish what we want

37:22 to: Martin
Progressive solutions - and out of the box thinking. That will really get the students engaged in the whole learning process.

37:40 to: McTeach (Karen)
I really need to do this with my kids...they do NOT think beyond the obvious! I really have to push them!!

38:09 to: Jan G.
What grade are your students McTeach?

38:21 to: McTeach (Karen)
Jan...seventh grade

38:24 to: Larry
Most of us don't think beyond the obvious until someone inspires, pushes or encourages us to do so

38:27 to: Peggy George
when you have so many ideas being brainstormed you don't have people feeling locked in to wanting their own idea chosen!! really opens up possibilities!

38:39 to: Lisa Mellen
Our students (6-8) don't want to be "wrong'

39:03 to: McTeach (Karen)
Lisa...I think that's a lot of what my 7th graders are feeling

39:09 to: Larry
They don't want to be wrong because we've created a right and wrong about learning and they get punished for being wrong

39:20 to: Paula Naugle (@plnaugle) 1
We need to redesign our teaching so that students don't get into "the right nswer" mindset.

39:20 to: Peggy George
when you brainstorm you can't be wrong :-) then collectively you come up with the better solutions

39:36 to: Tracy Fitzwater
Or they don't want to put forth an idea that is different from the other kids, perhaps?

39:39 to: Jan G.
Karen, mine are in second grade and I see the same thing with them. Surprises me that young children have trouble thinking wildly sometimes.

39:53 to: Larry
It's not called wrong - just one way of thinking about an issue that may or may not lead to a solution or where we want to go

40:09 to: lisa 1
I've decided that I'm only asking questions that don't have a "right" answer this year. I catch myself thinking about questions so much. I find that I"m often just asking the question to see if they

40:09 to: lisa 1
are paying attention - then calling on one person for recognition that I'm actually teaching...hummmmmm????

40:14 to: Patti R
Just like Ken Robinson said, they believe they are artists in first grade but not in fifth grade

40:21 to: Sue Neese
@ Jan G - I've worked w/K-12 gifted & found that the younger, the more open-minded.

40:25 to: Peggy George
d.School’ Bootcamp Guide - 36 page document that outlines the entire process of Design Thinking. http://www.scribd.com/doc/24765790/Check-This-Out-%CC%B6-It%E2%80%99s-the-d-school-Bootcamp-Bootleg

40:33 to: McTeach (Karen)
Jan...exactly! The parents' focus on getting that "A" isn't helpful!

40:58 to: Paula Naugle (@plnaugle) 1
@Jan G. I think younger students are more open to thinking wildly because they haven't been molded into the "doing school" fully yet.

41:03 to: AndreaHildreth
I love action!

41:26 to: Lisa Mellen
The "A" is the goal, not necessarily learning

41:29 to: Jan G.
Paula, probably true.

41:36 to: Peggy George
Matt's google doc of his links today (we'll add them to the gl.am links too) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EWNQ39gRl7bZK2jPcpQ3V8-XDe3kj15rskGPSEIvbZ4/edit?hl=en#

41:49 to: Peggy George
http://gl.am/6wgpU

41:54 to: McTeach (Karen)
Lisa...sad but true

42:06 to: AndreaHildreth
Another thing that makes foks uncomfortable

42:06 to: alicebarr
Has anyone participated in Apple's Challenge Based learning workshop?

42:15 to: Peggy George
real implications for PLNs :-)

42:17 to: Martin
We could look at the ford quote - just because it is not in the "loop" doen't make it incorrect. It actually is visionary - way ahead of ots time. I have had thay happen to me and others later told me

42:17 to: Martin
- "you said that would happen."

42:30 to: Peggy George
don't judge

42:32 to: Larry
Anything goes

42:34 to: jackiegerstein
all ideas are good

42:34 to: Martin
rules?

42:35 to: alicebarr
No idea is a bad idea

42:36 to: roxanne clement 1
no judgements

42:36 to: McTeach (Karen)
No wrong answer

42:38 to: AndreaHildreth
no negatives

42:38 to: Bill Montana
do not qualify ideas

42:38 to: Sue Neese
Piggyback on other ideas

42:39 to: kdelander
don't interrupt

42:39 to: Tracy Fitzwater
no idea is bad

42:40 to: Paula Naugle (@plnaugle) 1
Every idea is a good one.

42:42 to: Tracy Fitzwater
listen

42:42 to: Esther
all ideas go

42:42 to: roxanne clement 1
open

42:45 to: Lothar Jurk
no restrictions

42:45 to: Sylvianne - Dorset UK
nothing is silly

42:53 to: Peggy George
awesome group!!

43:11 to: sebastianpanakal
stepping stone value of the crazy idea

43:25 to: Martin
THese are great - will assisti in out of the box creationists

43:29 to: Paula Naugle (@plnaugle) 1
Love that quantity not quality while brainstorming!!

43:38 to: Stephanie
piggybacking

43:39 to: Peggy George
How to Brainstorm Effectively - video from a few Stanford Design School students; How NOT to Brainstorm - rejoinder to the previous video (watch these videos later)

43:39 to: Sylvianne - Dorset UK
Red Hat thinking

43:59 to: Sue Neese
@Sylvianne - what's Red Hat thinking

44:24 to: Sylvianne - Dorset UK
It's a DeBono method of working. Red hat is one of the 6 coloured hats. It's a great method

44:24 to: Peggy George
great tip!!! give me the headline and not the whole story :-)

44:53 to: jackiegerstein
http://www.12manage.com/methods_bono_six_thinking_hats.html

45:04 to: Martin
That is something that should be considered by the "reformers" - We get too many "articles" and "sermons"

45:05 to: Sylvianne - Dorset UK
thanks Jackie ;)

45:11 to: jackiegerstein
:)

45:22 to: Peggy George
http://bit.ly/cr20play

45:25 to: Paula Naugle (@plnaugle) 1
http://bit.ly/cr2play

45:46 to: Kim Caise
http://bit.ly/cr20play

46:30 to: sebastianpanakal
camera

46:38 to: sebastianpanakal
phone

47:23 to: alicebarr
That was really cool

47:33 to: jackiegerstein
lol 48 on the doc

47:41 to: Paula Naugle (@plnaugle) 1
That was fun.

47:43 to: Peggy George
incredible!! already feel released from my inhibitions!

48:01 to: Sue Neese
Wow.

48:07 to: Kim Caise
very non threatening

48:12 to: Peggy George
and my hands were sweating before I started--wondering if I would have any good ideas!

48:22 to: Martin
I have always encouraged this, and disappointed when it was not considered "appropriate of the curriculum" -

48:26 to: Paula Naugle (@plnaugle) 1
Too funny Peggy.

48:48 to: Peggy George
this is NOT boring!!

49:20 to: Sylvianne - Dorset UK
I use loads of post-it notes with my students, great for storyboards

49:24 to: Peggy George
love that! look at the colored chalk :-)

49:26 to: Martin
It actually will address the differention needs and also some of the disciplnary difficulties

50:04 to: jackiegerstein
good point Martin

50:10 to: Martin
Wow - an anaogue protitype for digital

50:20 to: Peggy George
do you think kids would be more creative brainstorming with technology tools or hands-on? :-)

50:22 to: Larry
I think we get too wrapped up with how to make it work now, according to our limited ways of thinking

50:36 to: Martin
@jackie - thanks. I hope that more would see it that way.

50:45 to: alicebarr
Peggy they would probably like a choice

50:57 to: Peggy George
I'm really appreciating seeing all of the hands-on stuff--we don't need to stop that to use technology-both are important!

51:41 to: Peggy George
do you teach the kids the term "prototype"?

52:12 to: Martin
I always state we are on a two sided fence. We have the tools - why don't we use them. Conversely, just because we have tools - doen't mean you have to use it all the time.

52:19 to: Peggy George
http://left82cold@photos.flickr.com

52:28 to: Lisa Mellen
Bummer-no camera

52:28 to: Peggy George
forget the http

52:37 to: Peggy George
left82cold@photos.flickr.com

53:10 to: Peggy George
why do I feel hung up with "but I can't draw" ??

53:16 to: jackiegerstein
I want online-interactive Whilteboards like Dabbleboards - http://www.dabbleboard.com/draw?b=Guest461758&i=0&c=830e8ca472344988cba824f23cb3eb4afe94dd32 LARGE ones with all of these resources in hallwa

53:16 to: jackiegerstein
ys and classrooms

53:17 to: alicebarr
me too

53:52 to: Peggy George
now that's an interesting angle--you can be visual with text or mindmap :-)

54:34 to: Martin
That was exciting - I just lost my file that I would have posted - sorry.

54:57 to: lisa 1
i DID IT!

54:58 to: jackiegerstein
Next step - how to facilitate the human connection for design thinking using virtual environments - maybe second life?

55:02 to: Peggy George
the energy of the group really comes through in a f2f group! I can feel Matt's energy and enthusiasm with this project!

55:05 to: Martin
thanks - wiil do.

55:41 to: Peggy George
can you just imagine doing this with teachers?? awesome activity!

56:00 to: Jan G.
The whole class chose same idea to create a prototype of or each group chose different one?

56:03 to: Peggy George
we often stop with the long list of complaints and don't take the next step to creating a prototype

56:04 to: Bill Montana
@Jackie - I used Dabbleboard for mine

56:18 to: Randall F
@jackie - nice idea! second life collaborating would probably work well for this

56:37 to: Peggy George
http://middleschoolblog.blogspot.com/2010/10/design-thinking-lesson-with-sophomores.html (Matt Montagne: Design Thinking Lesson with Sophomores)

56:41 to: Martin
This is a practical (and realistic) PD. Although it was an hour - many concepts were address and interactivity (hands-on) was included. Would it be possible to adapt some of these techniques into my p

56:41 to: Martin
resentations and PDs?

56:41 to: Sylvianne - Dorset UK
Not heard of dabbleboard before, going to have a look

56:49 to: Kim Caise
scribblar and sticky is great for this as well

56:58 to: Peggy George
http://middleschoolblog.blogspot.com/2010/09/change-by-designa-few-quotes.html (Matt Montagne: Change by Design-A Few Quotes)

56:59 to: Helene Wyskup 1
I know what you mean. The same thing is going at my school.

57:02 to: aunttammie
my phone said the flickr address wasn't "valid

57:07 to: Maureen@bcdtech
I would like to have teachers by grade/subject take a lesson and come up with ways to make it better- incorporate higher order thinking skills, tech, etc...

57:21 to: Martin
What do they mean by play?

57:21 to: Kim Caise
i injured my back 20 years ago playing red rover with my students

57:22 to: Peggy George
http://dschool.stanford.edu/k12/research.php (K12 Laboratory: Understanding Design Thinking-Stories to know about the K-12 Lab)

57:27 to: jackiegerstein
thx Randall

57:36 to: Kim Caise
free playing

57:36 to: jackiegerstein
Cool BIll!

57:44 to: Kim Caise
playing games, having fun

58:06 to: Peggy George
that is so cool!

58:13 to: alicebarr
What it woule be like to do this with teachers and redesigning learning activities????

58:20 to: Peggy George
ramps as alternatives to stairs--so obvious :-)

58:24 to: Martin
With laptops - isn't there a way to use other media (contained on the hard drive?

58:36 to: Kim Caise
so true alice. think of the power that could be generated

58:38 to: Peggy George
https://dschool.stanford.edu/groups/k12/wiki/6c04c/Visual_Resources.html (K12 Laboratory: Visual Resources-place for graphics, images and visual resources related to design thinking)

58:50 to: Kim Caise
love the hot tub meeting room!

58:51 to: jackiegerstein
even better yet @Alice - having teachers with students redesign learning activities

58:53 to: Peggy George
what fun ideas!

59:08 to: Kim Caise
whiteboard desks

59:26 to: Maureen@bcdtech
no insurance agents on this team of designers

59:32 to: Martin
@ alice - that is exactly what reform should address. THey we caould get into the learning and coach/instruction roles for their lifelong journey of learning.

59:35 to: Kim Caise
or budget managers

59:44 to: Peggy George
sadly there are so many "rules" that prevent schools from implementing ideas like that--fear of lawsuits!!

1:00:01 to: alicebarr
Martin agreed. I am looking at how to try this in March

1:00:29 to: anachorete
(is there no gl.am today?)

1:00:35 to: Peggy George
students would feel so empowered to be part of this process!

1:00:44 to: Peggy George
http://gl.am/6wgpU

1:00:51 to: Kim Caise
http://gl.am/6wgpU

1:00:56 to: anachorete
;-) thank you

1:00:57 to: Peggy George
I'll add any new links from Matt to the gl.am after the show

1:01:05 to: Martin
it is amazing what the students will be interested in. Give them opportunities to be involve in their futue (they are stakeholders)

1:01:10 to: alicebarr
MUST have students be part of school process

1:01:14 to: Peggy George
WOW!! I am so inspired!!!

1:01:19 to: Bill Montana
@Jackie - love the idea of redesigning learning activities with students. I will probably work with my students to redesign the way we approach learning in my classes.

1:01:27 to: alicebarr
@Peggy me too! Matt YOU ROCK!

1:01:34 to: Peggy George
Thank you Matt!! This is so positive and encouraging and gives hope!!

1:01:41 to: SusanSi 1
a great intro for me

1:01:42 to: jackiegerstein
You but you know about education, Matt

1:01:45 to: Beto
Thank You!

1:01:46 to: Peggy George
awesome!!!

1:01:47 to: Lorna Costantini
never stuck with Matt!!!!!!!

1:01:49 to: AJ
Matt, great thoughts out of the box

1:01:51 to: Larry
Others may know more but you're getting the info out there - that's great

1:01:51 to: Esther
great job. You made me inspired

1:01:52 to: Martin
Matt, what is your contact info. I have a concept and would like your feed back.

1:01:53 to: April Brown @maxxakahotdog
Thank you. Loved your energy.

1:01:55 to: Randall F
Is there a Flickr link to see everyone's prototypes?

1:01:56 to: kdelander
Don't apologize. Isn't that what design thinking is all about?

1:01:57 to: Deborah J. Boyd
lawsuites are usually not forthcoming unless there is money involved. Most Internet information is considered open for education unless otherwise posted. Even when it is posted most content providers

1:01:57 to: Deborah J. Boyd
are OK with passing it on as long as they get credit

1:01:57 to: Lisa Mellen
Thanks

1:02:00 to: matt montagne 1
mjmontagne@gmail.com

1:02:04 to: Larry
Thanks a lot

1:02:04 to: McTeach (Karen)
Awesome stuff!! Thank you Matt!!

1:02:05 to: Peggy George
the recordings and links will be posted here after the show: http://live.classroom20.com/archive-and-resources.html

1:02:06 to: matt montagne 1
twitter.com/mjmontagne

1:02:11 to: jackiegerstein
Matt - you rocked it!

1:02:13 to: matt montagne 1
thanks for the feedback folks...

1:02:14 to: jackiegerstein
LOL Kim

1:02:17 to: matt montagne 1
appreciate it...

1:02:21 to: john
thank you so much

1:02:24 to: Peggy George
Sylvia was last week :-)

1:02:29 to: kdelander
Thank you for all of the information!

1:02:29 to: matt montagne 1
I hope to do a session on design thinking at educon...if I can get there

1:02:30 to: jackiegerstein
Nancy WHite is a very smart woman

1:02:35 to: Sal
do you have any ideas for use in Social Studies Class that would incorporate the curriculum

1:02:36 to: Peggy George
recording is posted on LearnCentral! it was an awesome interview!!

1:02:37 to: Bill Montana
Matt - one of the best webinars ever! I mean that.

1:02:46 to: Paula Naugle (@plnaugle) 1
Virtual applause for an awesome presentation, Matt. Thank you!

1:02:48 to: matt montagne 1
thanks, Bill...awfully kind words...

1:02:51 to: kdelander
Very inspiring!

1:02:55 to: Peggy George
You definitely should presentat this at educon Matt!

1:02:56 to: jackiegerstein
Ditto what Paula said

1:03:05 to: matt montagne 1
thanks paula, jackieg, et al

1:03:05 to: Maureen@bcdtech
Sorry, did I miss the flickr link to see the prototypes?

1:03:11 to: alicebarr
YEs Matt really GREAT Thanks!

1:03:16 to: matt montagne 1
I'll grab flickr link

1:03:24 to: Peggy George
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mjmonty/tags/designthinking/

1:03:31 to: matt montagne 1
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mjmonty/

1:03:32 to: jackiegerstein
Kim how about the Global COnference this week?

1:03:33 to: Maureen@bcdtech
Thx peggy

1:03:35 to: Noelle Morris
I'm excited to try some new brainstorming techniques with students and fellow teachers - thanks so much, Matt! :)

1:03:41 to: McTeach (Karen)
I think it's until 5:00

1:03:42 to: Peggy George
all of these links will be in the archives and the gl.am

1:03:44 to: matt montagne 1
great, great protototypes!!!! http://www.flickr.com/photos/mjmonty/

1:03:54 to: Paula Naugle (@plnaugle) 1
DEN Virtual Conference on Saturday. 9-3 EST on Saturday, October 23. Join us.

1:03:56 to: Martin
Thanks Matt. It was extremely exciting and again gave me though to revisit what was "incompatible". Enjoy the new generation.

1:04:09 to: AJ
Matt read some stuff by James Beane. He champions this stuff and has been trying to get middle school teachers to do it for a long time.

1:04:26 to: matt montagne 1
great, Martin...I hope it was worth your while!!!

1:04:28 to: Peggy George
that will be a fantastic session with Barbara Bray--she will talk about how we can bring back the joy in learning and teaching in spite of all of the tests!!

1:04:58 to: jackiegerstein
The Global Symposium is starting today and goes through the week- and Kim is presenting http://crste.org/globalsymposium2010.html

1:05:10 to: alicebarr
Thank you Peggy, Kim, Lorna and Matt!

1:05:17 to: McTeach (Karen)
Woo-hoo! Thank you Peggy!

1:05:17 to: Peggy George
Barbara's presentation will build on today's conversation--uses of PBL and creative things for teachers and learners and administrators!

1:05:17 to: kdelander
missed the certificate link

1:05:22 to: zegna
thanks,have to sleep

1:05:27 to: Maureen@bcdtech
@jackie- I think I signed up for every session at CRTSE - it'll be a busy week

1:05:34 to: jackiegerstein
GREAT session

1:05:37 to: matt montagne 1
baby morgan on webcam

1:05:40 to: Peggy George
Looking forward to CRSTE all week! starts today!!

1:05:42 to: Lorna Costantini
Matt as always - you rick

1:05:44 to: Lorna Costantini
rock

1:05:47 to: jackiegerstein
Maureen it is going to be great weekends and evening

1:05:51 to: matt montagne 1
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/digital-down-low-tv

1:05:54 to: Peggy George
http://crstetools.wikispaces.com/

1:06:00 to: sebastianpanakal
Thanks a million

1:06:05 to: Lorna Costantini
you never cease to be a creative innovative teacher

1:06:11 to: Peggy George
http://crste.org/globalsymposium2010.html

1:06:21 to: Martin
Thanks again

1:06:24 to: jackiegerstein
Thanks Peggy - didn't know there was a wiki for CRSTE

1:06:28 to: Peggy George
the CRSTE virtual conference is always outstanding and FREE!

1:06:28 to: virginia alberti
Thanks very much matt

1:06:33 to: virginia alberti
clap clap!

1:06:58 to: Martin
CRSTE - it that the one based in metro DC?

1:07:05 to: Peggy George
yes Martin

1:07:07 to: jackiegerstein
Great mission to make the world a better place for you own child, Matt

1:07:20 to: Peggy George
it's the Middle Region ISTE Affiliate

1:07:21 to: jackiegerstein
that is cool

1:07:59 to: Peggy George
thanks for that explanation about prototype--very helpful!

1:08:50 to: Peggy George
that's a great point--don't let students choose groups but randomly assign them

1:09:06 to: clinds
Just started at a new school and some teachers think we should have a computer class where students learn computers (JK-5 school). Does anyone have resources that I can pass along about why it is so i

1:09:06 to: clinds
mportant that technology skills be integrated into academic curriculum?

1:09:09 to: Kim Caise
Martin, http://crste.org

1:09:15 to: Peggy George
we tend to think the same as anyone we would select to be in a group with--forces outside the box thinking

1:09:28 to: jackiegerstein
Love how Classroom 2.0 often stimulates me on Saturday morning to work on creative projects through the weekend

1:09:35 to: Jan G.
Thanks for that explanation.

1:09:37 to: Martin
Thats great. I knew it was always about the process. Too many get hung up with the tech and other components - forgetting the foundation = process. Thanks again Matt.

1:09:52 to: Bill Montana
Agreed @Jackie - me too

1:09:57 to: Peggy George
@jackiegerstein--it definitely has that effect on me!! I get so fired up and energized after these sessions!

1:10:22 to: Peggy George
we are getting to learn with some of the most inspiring educators around!!!

1:10:22 to: jackiegerstein
:) Bill

1:10:24 to: Lisa Mellen
I do too..no cleaning again this weekend!

1:10:33 to: Jan G.
How might this look in a primary grade classroom?

1:10:47 to: Peggy George
http://gl.am/6wgpU

1:10:57 to: Jan G.
Lisa...cleaning's overrated!

1:11:06 to: Peggy George
this really lends itself to action research because it can take many routes

1:11:25 to: jackiegerstein
Agree Jan as it just gets dirty again

1:11:33 to: Paula Naugle (@plnaugle) 1
Off to watch the Great Mississippi River Balloon Race in Natchez, MS. Have a wonderful weekend everyone. Hope your weather is as glorious as it is here in Natchez today.

1:11:37 to: McTeach (Karen)
I need to figure out how I can use this with my kids in social studies and have it be okay with my boss

1:11:48 to: Peggy George
just like how long it takes to get a textbook published--out of date before it is published

1:11:48 to: Larry
I think the brainstorming can be done in 20 minute sessions during class once it's explained in a class - bursts of imagination and process

1:12:25 to: Martin
This is what I wrote about with the "wall-less" classroom over 13 years ago - too bad it was never published. My advisors were not too impressed then - now I think they are thinking - you told us ....

1:12:39 to: Peggy George
you should try publishing it again Martin!!

1:12:47 to: Peggy George
have you put it on a blog somewhere?

1:13:08 to: Larry
Self publish to get it out there then worry about publishing houses

1:13:17 to: kdelander
There are a lot of free creative tools out there - Audacity for creating mp3 files, Google's sketchup for 3D drawings, Drawing tools in PowerPoint, hand kids digital cameras and camcorders and post i

1:13:17 to: kdelander
t their results to TeacherTube.

1:13:27 to: Peggy George
exactly Larry!! the demand might create a market for the publishing

1:13:27 to: Sylvianne - Dorset UK
thank you for a great session, got to go and serve dinner ;)

1:13:38 to: Peggy George
yes the RSA Animate video!! fantastic!

1:13:47 to: Jan G.
Less inhibited in younger grades probably.

1:13:54 to: Lisa Mellen
Just watched it this morning!

1:14:03 to: Martin
I think I will do both. It actually could be a "starter" for others doing research or just to create global collaborative groups.

1:14:20 to: Peggy George
http://comment.rsablogs.org.uk/2010/10/14/rsa-animate-changing-education-paradigms/

1:14:49 to: Peggy George
such a good point! systems don't often reward that kind of risk taking

1:15:05 to: jackiegerstein
RSA w/ Ken Robinson on http://teachingwithted.pbworks.com/Sir-Ken-Robinson%3A-Do-Schools-Kill-Creativity

1:15:20 to: Larry
You can brainstorm about how to apply what they learn in class in today's world - give them time to tie what today's lesson with what's happening - lots of info to research on the web

1:15:29 to: Peggy George
yes! 50 minute blocks just don't lend themselves to process learning! but short spurts of brainstorming seem very powerful!

1:15:33 to: Martin
@ peggy @larry - thaks for the encouragement. I'll let you know when its posted. Could you send me your contact info - info.meister@mac.com

1:15:49 to: Jan G.
Being in a classroom where you're free to express ideas without judgement is a wonderful thing and can bond a class together...wonderful byproduct.

1:16:00 to: Peggy George
I hear baby Morgan! :-) love it!

1:16:01 to: jackiegerstein
Baby Matt need Matt

1:16:36 to: matt montagne 1
I'm back!!!

1:16:53 to: virginia alberti
thanks!

1:16:58 to: clinds
Trying to get teachers to use Scratch to let student creativity flow but hard to get teachers to see the relevance to their curriculum and spend time on it.

1:17:00 to: Jan G.
Sounds like creative,flexible scheduling is a must.

1:17:05 to: virginia alberti
very interesting presentation

1:17:13 to: Peggy George
the TED talk video by Tim Brown is outstanding along with his book and lecture--be sure to watch them later. LInks are in the gl.am link: http://gl.am/6wgpU

1:17:16 to: Larry
contact me at yoursuccessinschool@gmail.com

1:17:29 to: Martin
@ larry - Thanks

1:17:35 to: Peggy George
http://www.ted.com/talks/tim_brown_urges_designers_to_think_big.html (TED Global 2009: Tim Brown Urges Designers to Think Big-from consumption to participation)

1:17:36 to: aunttammie
so kids just have to have a laptop...they don't buy thru the school?

1:17:43 to: alicebarr
WE have the same image in all laptops K -12. Works well for teachers but students would probably prefer some choice.

1:18:04 to: alicebarr
Especially those that want to explore

1:18:40 to: Maureen@bcdtech
@alicebarr You can give all the choices with online media

1:18:49 to: alicebarr
Great point Matt, so my job has been to convince teachers that there are many tools that work for projects, not just all kids do iMovie

1:18:50 to: roxanne clement 1
the real world is filled with diversity, we need to teach kids how to learn, how to use any tool, and discriminate about what to use

1:18:50 to: Peggy George
that makes so much sense to me--when you don't all have exactly the same software or operating system it helps you to see you can do the same things in many different ways!

1:19:01 to: Larry
There's a lot of free software available for many types of projects - students can learn to use many types of tools

1:19:11 to: alicebarr
@bcdtech exactly

1:19:16 to: Jan G.
Differentiation, choice, individualization

1:19:17 to: jackiegerstein
My "argument" at my school is that not all students will have access to Microsoft suite at home

1:19:18 to: Bill Montana
We have both school laptops available at school in mobile carts and we allow students to bring their own laptops. All school computers have the same software, but there is no requirement for specific

1:19:18 to: Bill Montana
software on students' laptops. We use Google Apps for Education.

1:19:27 to: kdelander
There are LOTS of wonderful free software progs out there for free expression.

1:19:42 to: Sal 1
Students help one another and learn various ways of doing the same thing

1:19:46 to: Larry
Whatever works

1:19:53 to: Peggy George
neutral, agnostic view on software and hardware :-)

1:19:58 to: alicebarr
Check out Richard Byrnes 60 tools from ACTEM conference yesterday http:freetech4teachers,com

1:20:10 to: virginia alberti
ciao Peggy and KiM; thanks very much!

1:20:15 to: Maureen@bcdtech
We have PCs in the lab, macs in the graphics lab. I tell kids to choose what tool they want to use to present their info- it's hard for them. I have kids who only do powerpoint, others who will choos

1:20:15 to: Maureen@bcdtech
e goanimate or glogster same project

1:20:16 to: alicebarr
http://freetech4teachers.com

1:20:21 to: Peggy George
if you could just replace ALL of the books with one laptop your backpack would be much lighter!

1:20:21 to: Jan G.
@Sat 1, actually, my second graders teach me also.

1:20:23 to: Martin
@alice - it is both good and bad. Like a pdf= its the same uniform - its the same - no individual changes. In my building the images are all "updated" as needed - not identical in many cases. Also ind

1:20:23 to: Martin
ividual programs are loaded as requested. That is a difficult item to manage.

1:21:08 to: Peggy George
thanks for that link Alice! I was so glad to be able to participate in your streamed Geek of the Week session yesterday at ACTEM!

1:21:23 to: alicebarr
@martin, we try to be flexible around the image as much as possible. Is alot to manage. Google Apps for ed is chnging some of that

1:21:23 to: Lisa Mellen
In our school, all desktop images are the same. Not allowed to make changes

1:21:50 to: alicebarr
@Peggy it was great to have you there! You Rock!

1:21:51 to: Peggy George
good point about the care they take with their computers!

1:21:56 to: Sal
You are right

1:22:00 to: Sal
good point

1:22:01 to: Peggy George
even first graders!!

1:22:08 to: aunttammie
wonder if boys are so careful! :)

1:22:17 to: matt montagne 1
good question auntammie

1:22:18 to: Peggy George
yes they are! they don't want to lose their stuff either!

1:22:24 to: matt montagne 1
we are fortunate with girls

1:22:25 to: Martin
Thats great Matt. I also give the same advice to my community. I am mostly a Mac/Apple but explain how the other systems may accomplishe what they need. I also keep preaching (as I have for 15 years)

1:22:25 to: Martin
that platforms are not as critical - we have universal access (not just OS) specific. It is really a global community.

1:22:33 to: Peggy George
Thank you so much Matt!! This has been so inspiring!!!

1:22:37 to: jackiegerstein
Thanks Matt - tell Morgan we said goodbye

1:22:46 to: McTeach (Karen)
Thank you Matt!! Such great ideas!!

1:22:48 to: sebastianpanakal
Thank you very much. Good Bye

1:22:48 to: matt montagne 1
thanks all

1:22:48 to: Lisa Mellen
Thank you Matt!

1:22:49 to: Jan G.
Need time to digest! Thank you so much.

1:22:52 to: Sue Neese
Thanks!!!!!!

1:22:52 to: Peggy George
I'll tweet as soon as the recording is posted!

1:22:55 to: alicebarr
Thanks again Matt! Great stuff!

1:22:55 to: aclemos
Thanks!

1:23:00 to: Martin
Is there a concept that girls and boys are different with the tools?

1:23:01 to: aunttammie
Thank you...great session!

1:23:04 to: McTeach (Karen)
Woo-hoo!! I'll be there!

1:23:10 to: Peggy George
See you in 2 weeks with Barbara Bray!

1:23:14 to: McTeach (Karen)
Barbara is awesome!

1:23:24 to: kdelander
Thank you!

1:23:24 to: sebastianpanakal
bye