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[11:59:08 AM] <kfasimpaur> Hi there.
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[11:59:27 AM] <Steve Hargadon> Hi, Jim and Karen.
[11:59:41 AM] <kfasimpaur> no...is there a skype or should I dial in on landline?
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[11:59:58 AM] <Steve Hargadon> You can use skype, but you dial the regular phone number.
[12:00:21 PM] <jsalpeter> Hi there. I'm here online and by phone.
[12:00:27 PM] <Steve Hargadon> You should see the number and codes at the bottom of your browser page.
[12:01:36 PM] <Steve Hargadon> Karen: are you figuring things out?
[12:01:48 PM] <kfasimpaur> apparently i need skype credit to dial in? (I can hear you, but no voice out.)
[12:02:06 PM] <kfasimpaur> :(
[12:02:12 PM] <kfasimpaur> yeah, i do. LOL
[12:02:14 PM] <jsalpeter> on regular land line its: Phone Number: (724) 444-7444
[12:02:28 PM] <Guest 4> where do you put in call id and pin?
[12:02:40 PM] <kfasimpaur> will do
[12:03:29 PM] <kfasimpaur> ok, i'm here
[12:03:36 PM] <Guest 4> 1 724 444-7444
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[12:06:12 PM] <Guest 4> sorry to interrupt but is it through skype or talk shoe that you put
[12:06:16 PM] <Guest 4> in call id
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[12:08:34 PM] <Guest 4> Guest 5 is Ben Sanoff Berkeley HIgh
[12:08:44 PM] <Guest 4> sorry guest4
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[12:09:30 PM] <JulieEFF> Connexions <http://cnx.org/>
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[12:10:33 PM] <Steve Hargadon> Ben--you've got background noise. Just let me know when you want to talk.
[12:10:53 PM] <annemiek> hi there, for the moment I cannot hear anything
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[12:11:20 PM] <Steve Hargadon> annemiek--have you called in, or are you just trying to hear the streaming audio?
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[12:11:31 PM] <kfasimpaur> for use by students: wikibooks, Next Vista, WikiEducator, Free-Reading, Curriki
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[12:12:03 PM] <annemiek> I am trying to hear the streaming audio, have not called in from the Netherlands yet
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[12:12:34 PM] <Steve Hargadon> annemiek--seems to be working OK for others. Might check your audio?
[12:13:07 PM] <kfasimpaur> student produced: wikibooks (some student created projects)...but more on YouTube, various wikis, blogs, etc.
[12:13:34 PM] <kfasimpaur> Learn NC is another good project to look at
[12:14:07 PM] <annemiek> yes IVe got yu now
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[12:14:49 PM] <Jim Klein> http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Content_Curators is a great directory.
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[12:15:35 PM] <kfasimpaur> see also www.k12opened.com/wiki/index.php/Content (general content at the top...kids are using this stuff a lot); k-12 specific at the bottom
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[12:16:27 PM] <Guest 7> See http://cccoer.wordpress.com
[12:16:33 PM] <kfasimpaur> The focus on teachers instead of on students comes from higher ed, where OER really started
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[12:16:59 PM] <Jim Klein> Please unmute
[12:17:03 PM] <Steve Hargadon> Jim: did you mute yourself?
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[12:17:15 PM] <kfasimpaur> Judy, can you see my comments?
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[12:17:30 PM] <Steve Hargadon> Karen: yes, can see.
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[12:20:10 PM] <Guest 8> http://freemusic.freeculture.org/ is a site put together by OLPC group. Not safe and secure (language), but CC
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[12:21:44 PM] <bsanoff> Can you turn me on again
[12:22:07 PM] <Guest 16> Could you speak a little louder please?
[12:22:10 PM] <Steve Hargadon> Fortunately, Open Content doesn't require the technical expertise of Open Source Software.
[12:22:27 PM] <Steve Hargadon> Ben: don't see you having a voice connection yet.
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[12:22:54 PM] <kfasimpaur> very true...all you need to do open content is put the CC-BY license on it. All teachers already have lots of original content.
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[12:23:11 PM] <JulieEFF> Students for a Free Culture < http://freeculture.org/blog/>
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[12:25:14 PM] <Steve Hargadon> Guest 18 - do you want to talk?
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[12:28:06 PM] <Steve Hargadon> Hurrah, Bobbi!
[12:28:16 PM] <Steve Hargadon> Do you need help getting a voice connection?
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[12:28:25 PM] <Guest 24> sorry didn't realize this had been confirmed
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[12:28:54 PM] <Steve Hargadon> Glad to have you here.
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[12:29:49 PM] <kfasimpaur> Some open content for mobile devices is on k12handhelds.com/curriculum
[12:29:59 PM] <Guest 24> can you help me, I hear you by voice
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[12:30:23 PM] <Guest 24> i am dialing in
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[12:30:59 PM] <Guest 27> hi
[12:31:04 PM] <Guest 27> Chris Walsh here
[12:31:16 PM] <kfasimpaur> Hi Bobbi!
[12:31:26 PM] <Steve Hargadon> Hi, Chris!
[12:31:34 PM] <Guest 27> hola
[12:31:46 PM] <Guest 27> will VOIP work here?
[12:31:52 PM] <Guest 27> or do I need to call in to talk?
[12:31:58 PM] <Guest 27> I can hear just fine
[12:32:01 PM] <Guest 25> steve this is Ben Sanoff I am guest 25 can you unmute me
[12:32:03 PM] <Steve Hargadon> There is a voip number you can use, or you can dial in by phone.
[12:32:11 PM] <Steve Hargadon> Ben is Back!
[12:32:30 PM] <Guest 27> ah
[12:32:32 PM] <Guest 27> I see
[12:32:47 PM] <Steve Hargadon> If you want to talk, Chris, you can dial in either by voip or phone. Numbers on the bottom left of your browser window.
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[12:33:40 PM] <kfasimpaur> I think an important awareness issue for everyone to communicate is license options... CC BY is preferred for educ. It's most flexible.
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[12:35:36 PM] <Steve Hargadon> Bobbi--that statistic is interesting!
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[12:37:58 PM] <Steve Hargadon> For most people, this discussion will go WAY over their heads.
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[12:38:40 PM] <kfasimpaur> Steve, you are right.
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[12:38:57 PM] <jsalpeter> testing
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[12:39:08 PM] <kfasimpaur> However...the "open" culture community is forcing this debate. Frankly it's driving people away from the open movement.
[12:39:11 PM] <Steve Hargadon> I agree, Bobbi.
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[12:40:57 PM] <kfasimpaur> On Flickr (arguably the largest site with open content license options), CC NC ND is the most popular license.
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[12:41:25 PM] <Steve Hargadon> Judy: Ben is on, just so you know.
[12:41:48 PM] <Guest 25> hey
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[12:43:10 PM] <Guest 31> hi :)
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[12:43:32 PM] <Guest 25> this is Ben
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[12:43:51 PM] <Guest 32> Hi I'm Mell in the UK
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[12:45:46 PM] <jsalpeter> Welcome to all who've joined. If you don't have voice access please chime in via chat.
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[12:47:03 PM] <Guest 31> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070129-8724.html
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[12:47:48 PM] <JulieEFF> http://www.centerforsocialmedia.org/resources/publications/recut_reframe_recycle
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[12:48:08 PM] <Guest 25> www.berkeleyhigh.wikispaces.com
[12:48:23 PM] <Jim Klein> I think what we're missing here is the license is about the content, not the format. The format is "open" in that it is publicly documented/readable.
[12:48:32 PM] <Guest 16> I can't get the arstechnica site up
[12:48:42 PM] <Josh Chandler> it was a bit slow for me!
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[12:48:58 PM] <Jim Klein> Because you used Word, doesn't mean that the document itself is covered under copyright.
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[12:49:17 PM] <Guest 16> Good point Jim
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[12:51:17 PM] <kfasimpaur> I'm working on setting up a collaboration to put out a series of open ed content cds...music,photos, video,etc. I'd love to have others collaborate on
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[12:51:25 PM] <JulieEFF> http://www.pbs.org/teachers/learning.now/2008/02/students_and_copyright_discipl.html
[12:51:27 PM] <Guest 25> http://www.pbs.org/teachers/learning.now/
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[12:52:33 PM] <Guest 16> Is there a clearing house for legal precedent regarding "open" content?
[12:52:44 PM] <Guest 16> I don't have the audio feature
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[12:53:23 PM] <Guest 16> I know sites with definitions but what about legal precedent?
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[12:55:26 PM] <Guest 16> http://www.chillingeffects.org/ is this the site?
[12:55:54 PM] <Guest 34> How are authors and other people who make a living through their creative works able to make a living if their works are not protected?
[12:55:57 PM] <Guest 16> thank you for this. good launching point
[12:56:44 PM] <Guest 31> yes
[12:56:55 PM] <Steve Hargadon> Guest 35, did you want to be unmuted?
[12:56:57 PM] <kfasimpaur> consulting... training... If you haven't read "Wikinomics," it is a great read ont this topic.
[12:57:13 PM] <Steve Hargadon> There's a difference between authors and publishers/companies.
[12:57:27 PM] <Steve Hargadon> For most authors, getting their voice out there is often the most valuable thing.
[12:57:35 PM] <kfasimpaur> A huge commercial industry has grown around Open Source s/w
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[12:58:59 PM] <Guest 16> software is easier via support than creative content but I think both offer tremendous potential for revenue generation
[12:59:34 PM] <Guest 16> Thank you everyone!
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[1:00:00 PM] <kfasimpaur> Thanks for the stimulating conversation, all.
[1:00:10 PM] <Guest 25> thanks peace
[1:00:16 PM] <jsalpeter> Bye all. Thanks.
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[1:00:38 PM] <Steve Hargadon> Thanks, all.
[1:00:40 PM] <Guest 32> What was thewebsite they kept saying at the end
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[1:00:46 PM] <Steve Hargadon> Will post audio and chat log in the next hour or so.
[1:00:54 PM] <Steve Hargadon> www.curriki.org
[1:00:59 PM] <Guest 32> thanks