CLASSROOM 2.0 LIVE webinar with special guest, Steve Hargadon. "Confessions of a Learning Revolutionary"

October 8, 2016

00:02 - Peggy George
Yes to Global Ed Day!

00:30 - Peggy George
I'm really looking forward to this conversation!!!

01:19 - Sheri Edwards @grammasheri
I remember Learn Central!

01:26 - Steve Hargadon

01:28 - Steve Hargadon

01:31 - Lorie Moffat
Me too, Sheri

01:54 - @bcdtech Maureen
Still have my VRoom t shirt

02:14 - @plnaugle (Paula)
Welcome Patricia. Glad you are joining us.

02:34 - @plnaugle (Paula)
Me too, Sheri.

02:43 - Sheri Edwards @grammasheri
It is an amazing series! So glad they are still available.

02:46 - K. Gradel ("kg")
Loved the Teacher Entrepreneur interview series...I use the archive all the time, working with future teachers.

03:04 - Patricia Smeyers #2
Thank you, Paula. Hello!

03:37 - @plnaugle (Paula)
WooHoo, Steve is live!

04:02 - Peggy George
I love that distinction! a learning revolutionary and not and education revolutionary!

04:12 - Sheri Edwards @grammasheri
:) Yes

04:36 - Peggy George
hahaha!! not true!!!

05:01 - @plnaugle (Paula)
Welcome Goca.

05:03 - Peggy George
so hard to find our place in all of this!

05:08 - Goca
Hello everyone

05:10 - Peggy George
Hi Goca! Welcome!

05:35 - Sheri Edwards @grammasheri

05:48 - Peggy George
That is such an interesting point! Why do people turn out more for tool presentations than for conversations about education?

06:05 - @bcdtech Maureen
Heutagogy vs pedagogy

06:06 - Peggy George
not about eating children?? :-) hilarious!

06:48 - Peggy George
Swift: A Modest Proposal

06:49 - Christopher Denny 1
Interesting thought Peggy. People constantly want to know more about tech tools instep of how education should be structured.

06:57 - Terry Shaneyfelt
Because most think they know how to teach and don't question their abilities. A tool though requires skill development to use. Thus they come because they will learn that new skill

07:06 - Peggy George
sure seems like it Christopher!

07:13 - K. Gradel ("kg")
Sure...just like school.

07:13 - @plnaugle (Paula)
We feed all of our students breakfast and lunch every day for free.

07:14 - Peggy George
yes!!!! :-)

07:15 - K. Gradel ("kg")

07:18 - Tammy Moore
Analogy :)

07:20 - Susie @shighley
With tools the answers are more cut and dry than with pedagogy

07:42 - Susie @shighley
Seems funny to be typing this while sitting in a McDonalds

07:49 - K. Gradel ("kg")
No room for family choice.

08:04 - Patricia Smeyers #2
not every child likes the same thing

08:29 - Eileen
Allergies can be a concern

08:31 - Patricia Smeyers #2
allergies so not all can eat the same thing

09:17 - Peggy George
thanks for adding your thoughts in the chat if you aren't able to type on the whiteboard!

10:03 - Peggy George
I can't help but think of all of the parents who "make" their kids eat broccoli because it's good for them. :-)

10:26 - Peggy George
it seems the guidelines keep changing!

11:01 - Peggy George
really interesting points on the whiteboard!!

11:03 - K. Gradel ("kg")
Never quite sure about when things change behind the food pyramid...esp. when pushed by a political figure.

11:13 - Peggy George
and "everything" causes cancer!

11:25 - K. Gradel ("kg")
@Peggy: And changes every day

11:26 - Peggy George
yes K. Gradel!

11:39 - Christopher Denny 1
Yes. Everything causes cancer one year and is better the next.

11:50 - Peggy George (Small is Beautiful website: Project focused on creating a place where the folks in the tiny house/living, small/slow/local food, small-scale/authentic work, and local/home-school/unschool learning communities can share what they are doing and to help other)

12:06 - Brendon Cleer
And sugar industry

12:18 - K. Gradel ("kg")
@Peggy: interesting...will dig into it deeper.

12:29 - Peggy George
culture is such an important consideration with food!

12:54 - K. Gradel ("kg")
I was told yesterday by our new dean that codified centers of learning in Canada was the optimal model. I wish she were on this call.

13:11 - Peggy George
I'm curious. If you do a google search for learning and for education do you get the same results?

14:00 - Peggy George
Steve was involved with open source way before many of us even knew it existed!

14:41 - K. Gradel ("kg")
Oh lordy...I often refer to Microsoft's "big brother" approach of years gone by.

14:43 - Peggy George
funny how CD rom has changed over the years. Now no CD drive on Macs

14:50 - Patti Ruffing
years back we purchased some refurbished computers and had to call microsoft to re-activate the license for each one

15:01 - Christopher Denny 1
No CDs on a lot of computers

15:21 - Peggy George
that sounds like a thriving business!!

15:59 - Peggy George
great memory Patti! I remember that too! And definitely remember all of the great debates over which platform was better (Mac or PD)!

15:59 - @bcdtech Maureen
Was in some f those thin lient woksop

16:09 - @bcdtech Maureen

16:10 - Patti Ruffing
I still worry about that

16:18 - Peggy George

16:53 - Peggy George
I'm really grateful that now most things are cross-platform and available for mobile devices!

17:12 - K. Gradel ("kg")
I remember the whole initial push on Ning. People were scared of it.

17:13 - Peggy George
I was an early Ning adopter because of Steve!

17:23 - K. Gradel ("kg")
@Peggy: yes.

17:25 - @plnaugle (Paula)
Me too, Peggy.

17:26 - Sheri Edwards @grammasheri
Me too Peggy

17:31 - @bcdtech Maureen
I created Nngs in school. After listening to Steve

17:51 - Peggy George
loving these stories!!!!

17:54 - @plnaugle (Paula)
I created a Ning for 4th grade teachers in my district.

18:07 - Sheri Edwards @grammasheri

18:22 - Patti Ruffing
I created one and I still pay 2.95 a month for it but I never use it

18:27 - Sheri Edwards @grammasheri

19:00 - Peggy George
never heard that connection between open source and google email

19:05 - K. Gradel ("kg")
Right...the whole Google influx changed the equation.

19:34 - Terry Shaneyfelt
most people are consumers and not creators

19:53 - Peggy George
those meetups were fantastic!!

20:19 - Peggy George

20:20 - Patricia Smeyers #2
agreed Terry and many people still fear growth and change in education

21:23 - K. Gradel ("kg")
So interesting to see someone new at an is uncomfortable for some and that is good.

21:25 - @plnaugle (Paula)
Welcome, Suzana.

21:31 - Patricia Smeyers #2
more collaboration

21:45 - Suzana Lazarevic Petrovic
Good afternoon!

21:49 - Peggy George
Archive of 2010 Global Education Conference

22:14 - Doug Henry in San Leandro, CA
Perhaps the change isn't perceptible.

22:18 - @bcdtech Maureen
Tech will save us...

22:50 - Patricia Smeyers #2
Not sure how to type on screen but fear of change

23:22 - Eileen

23:35 - @bcdtech Maureen
Assessment has not really changed

24:02 - Peggy George
so true! change is HARD!

24:09 - Patricia Smeyers #2
administration wanting cookie cutter education within each classroom

24:15 - Sheri Edwards @grammasheri
I created Turtle Logo curriculum to help teachers implement it in Apple IIe but no teacher used it. Did not understand the need for play and exploration

24:16 - @plnaugle (Paula)
Tech in schools is currently being driven by need for online testing.

24:19 - Terry Shaneyfelt
I am in medicine and things don't change unless studies show they work or don't work (not always true but mostly true). Education is slow to study interventions

24:21 - Patti Ruffing
teachers are expected to have a foot in each world...learn new things, be creative, but still meet the traditional requirements

24:32 - Christopher Denny 1
Faculty not willing to use more time to learn

24:59 - Peggy George
time is always the biggest "excuse"-"reason"!

25:19 - Terry Shaneyfelt
standards don't require change. They reward/support status quo

25:28 - Sheri Edwards @grammasheri
agree Terry

25:30 - Patti Ruffing
but time is a very legitimate concern

25:33 - @bcdtech Maureen
History of the white man

26:00 - Brendon Cleer
IT Dept is challenged to integrate new ideas

26:04 - Patricia Smeyers #2
focus becomes state testing

26:29 - Brendon Cleer
Worries about security limits adoption of new ideas

26:31 - Terry Shaneyfelt
I teach at a medical school. We have standards of topics to meet. We have to get special exemptions to do something different than its been done.

26:49 - Christopher Denny 1
Going bAck to IT not being educators- they aren't aware of needs. Teachers need to be more aware and willing to help plan rwch

26:52 - Patricia Smeyers #2
Terry--It is not much different in elementary school

26:54 - Terry Shaneyfelt
High stakes tests make us teach to the test

27:06 - Patricia Smeyers #2
We should teach to think

27:09 - Peggy George
What is agency?

28:08 - Sheri Edwards @grammasheri
Our IT dept is NOT open to tools other than theirs. They have a box teachers need to fit in and that box is Microsoft. Anything else -- web 20 tools not supported. They are not educators; they are technicians.

28:31 - K. Gradel ("kg")
The mammogram debate is a good example...important to study it all.

28:32 - Peggy George
An interesting point by Ben Wilkoff-what is the difference between agency and advocacy?

28:46 - Patricia Smeyers #2
Sheri-I believe tech coach or educational tech director is needed to help IT

28:54 - Sheri Edwards @grammasheri
That's why I became Tech Liaison to share teaching/learning side of tech integration.

28:55 - K. Gradel ("kg")
Too often, the proposed shifts are based on limited science.

28:56 - Patti Ruffing
same thing with environmental concerns and the energy industry

29:00 - Brendon Cleer
Ours district now supports M$ and Google apps.

29:03 - Terry Shaneyfelt
And breast cancer screening is too politically hot to touch. What politician would say we are cutting back on mammograms because they aren't the best test

29:05 - Christopher Denny 1
At our university, our central IT are at least willing to look at other tools by committee, which allows some web2.0 tools to get through

29:06 - Peggy George
in spite of the changing research many doctors still advocate for earlier recommendations!

29:32 - Peggy George
love that point Terry!

29:44 - Terry Shaneyfelt
Affective bias takes control also. We are so emotionally invested in something we can look at it objectively

29:44 - Patricia Smeyers #2
My district just eliminated Tech director so there is no educational tech pedagogy anymore

29:54 - K. Gradel ("kg")
Our CIO wants to go back to Microsoft and is clear...the institution has more control than with GAFE.

29:57 - Terry Shaneyfelt
can not ca

30:10 - Peggy George
and why can't we sustain that excitement after we initially start changing?

30:29 - Peggy George
what causes us to fizzle out and revert back to the old ways?

30:42 - Sheri Edwards @grammasheri
kg -- absolutlely. I was able to influence a decision to become a GAFE school, but IT is still fighting it, after seven years!

31:02 - K. Gradel ("kg")
@Sherri: And this is just one example, right?

31:05 - Doug Henry in San Leandro, CA
Need to find a way to make personalized self-driven learning more profitable

31:41 - Sheri Edwards @grammasheri
kg - yes.

31:52 - Peggy George
disruptive has so many connotations!

32:21 - Brendon Cleer
More choice complicates collaboration.

32:22 - Peggy George

33:01 - Peggy George
raise your hand if you'd like to speak on the microphone!

33:20 - K. Gradel ("kg")
Do we need a mix?

33:39 - Suzana Lazarevic Petrovic

33:40 - Peggy George
when you raise your hand we'll give you the microphone permission

34:06 - Peggy George
profit wins over innovation sadly!

34:21 - Patricia Smeyers #2
children's gains should be the profit we worry about

34:32 - K. Gradel ("kg")
Google's buyout of third-party innovators is a good example of that, Tammy.

34:51 - Peggy George
and more and more, educators are demanding and expecting "free" resources

35:16 - Sheri Edwards @grammasheri
I've seen many innovators get their PHD then sell books and speak; then the sharing/openness is gone

35:17 - Peggy George
I definitely share that core belief!!

35:34 - Peggy George (Steve Hargadon’ beliefs and views about change)

35:37 - Doug Henry in San Leandro, CA
there is a tendency for tech firms to de-emphasize formal credentials in favor of demonstrated ability

35:41 - K. Gradel ("kg")
We believe. Our system does not reflect but uses the mantra

35:52 - Patricia Smeyers #2
NO!!!! The system forgets about the child. We worry about their scores.

35:53 - @plnaugle (Paula)
Too many say they want what's good for children, but the truth is they are more interested in the bottom line.

36:20 - Peggy George
I think we believe it but don't feel we have "permission" to stray from the required/adopted standards and curriculum

36:32 - Sheri Edwards @grammasheri
We need public schools, with innovation, to eliminate the profit motive. Public schools are still relevant, but we must focus on learner empowerment instead of scores.

36:52 - Doug Henry in San Leandro, CA
With so many people and such diversity, central control is less effective

37:19 - K. Gradel ("kg")
We await the idea!

37:40 - Nina Peery
It is the nature of man to look at our own self-interest first...not serve others

37:51 - Peggy George
that is a teacher's big fear!! they might lose their job!

38:03 - Patricia Smeyers #2
Schools do not always listen to teachers.

38:07 - Terry Shaneyfelt
get rid of common core and dept of education. Local oversight is better

38:38 - @plnaugle (Paula)
I wonder what would happen if teachers refused to administer standardized tests.

38:56 - Terry Shaneyfelt
unemployment line

38:57 - K. Gradel ("kg")
It would not be just another hashtag

39:33 - Doug Henry in San Leandro, CA
Libraries are so often stereotyped...

39:55 - Nina Peery
I offer a Maker Space, but it is in my technology class in the computer lab, not in our library; although we have a library and a librarian.

40:00 - K. Gradel ("kg")
There is a huge push on informal learning (science museums, camps, etc.)...

40:19 - Patricia Smeyers #2
we use secretaries as librarians with no education background

40:21 - Peggy George
Jonathan's website:

40:34 - Doug Henry in San Leandro, CA
@kg: learning should be moving out of the classroom into the real world

40:37 - Sheri Edwards @grammasheri
Patricia -- and many teachers do not listen to each other; different philosophies.

40:40 - @plnaugle (Paula)
Libraries become makerspaces, but when do students get to go there and "make" things. We barely can get time in our schedule to allow students to check out books.

41:16 - Peggy George
Hack Your Education Student's Guide by Jonathan

41:32 - K. Gradel ("kg")
The movement to liberal education (aka general education) in higher ed is in sync with this.

41:54 - Christopher Denny 1
I think librarians have to be willing to change, just like teachers

41:58 - Nina Peery
@plnaugle True, because of expectations of state assessments, teachers will NOT give up curriculum time to let students participate.

42:04 - Patricia Smeyers #2
that course would be great

42:05 - K. Gradel ("kg")

42:16 - Peggy George
so many times teachers resist changing because they view everything as cyclical and it will just be a short time and we revert back to the old ways

42:24 - Patti Ruffing
I showed my 8th graders the Independent Project video and asked if they would like to have such choice...they were not all in favor of having that kind of choice

42:50 - Peggy George
That course sounds fantastic! I would take it!

43:12 - Brendon Cleer
Is this for a grade???

43:21 - K. Gradel ("kg")
Worked with undergrad (univ) honors students last spring...asked them to develop their own learning goals and individualize the course to facilitate that. VERY HARD for them to "allow" themselves to do this.

43:24 - Nina Peery
I have a 3D printer and allow students to create in Tinkercad, but they just want to print a shape and not take the time to actually create something useful.

43:31 - @plnaugle (Paula)
I would love to do #geniushour in my classroom, but can't find the time in my weekly schedule to implement it.

43:34 - Patti Ruffing
I am a believer in passion projects/genius hour

43:57 - K. Gradel ("kg")
@Paula: yes, is the genius hour framework a reasonable stepping stone?

44:04 - Patricia Smeyers #2
Nina: I assigned students to 3d print something that would help the classroom. Projects were great.

44:27 - Nina Peery
Great idea, Patricia. I will give that a try!

44:30 - Melissa Getz #2
We are a spoon fed society (unfortunately)

44:34 - Peggy George
that often happens with MOOCs. Participants ask for more direction/guidance and don't believe the charge/challenge that the learning is really your own

44:39 - Peggy George
Yes Melissa!!!

45:27 - @plnaugle (Paula)
@Nina, a friend of mine who introduced 3D printing at her school made the students design something that solved a problem they had - so they designed things like a flute holder, a hairdryer holder, a holder for earbuds, etc.

45:29 - Melissa Getz #2
"just tell me what I need to know"- I heard that too often when I tried to give them freedom

45:30 - Peggy George
Do your hands sweat when you think of becoming a learning revolutionary? Does it excite you or scare you?

45:31 - Sheri Edwards @grammasheri
Except for #clmooc :) We had encouragers to cheer participants on

45:52 - Peggy George
yes Sheri! #clmooc is exceptional in that regard!

46:07 - Peggy George
we have some questions for you, Steve :-)

46:22 - Peggy George
Lorie will get on the mic to ask you questions

46:23 - Patricia Smeyers #2
Peggy: I get excited for a while and then can get frustrated with admin response at times

47:00 - Peggy George
so true! many revolutionaries were willing to take big risks and make the ultimate sacrifice for the cause!

47:16 - Eileen
I work with gifted students every day and I really value a work ethic over a high IQ. They need to have a passion and perseverance to be successful.

47:28 - Christopher Denny 1
Sometimes Admin won't listen to IT because they are not educators. That's why I am working toward the EdTech degree.

47:48 - Peggy George
very powerful point Steve! I have some soul-searching to do!!

47:56 - Sheri Edwards @grammasheri
Think of change inside the box. That's the focus of #immooc Innovators Mindset George Couros But it's not a #clmooc experience -- but good ideas

48:04 - Patricia Smeyers #2
How do we develop that passion? Encourage it? Are we doing that?

48:44 - Eileen
Passion has to be demonstrated by us to inspire them.

48:51 - Patti Ruffing
@Patricia one of the hardest things in my genius hour experience is having students find something they are passionate about...most struggle to find a passion

48:52 - @plnaugle (Paula)
Had a conversation with my students about the value of a good work ethic.

49:07 - K. Gradel ("kg")
so much good thinking here

49:09 - Peggy George
Wow!!! Many challenging thoughts!!

49:16 - Patricia Smeyers #2
@Patti I share my passions to model it the best I can

49:33 - Sheri Edwards @grammasheri
How would you make changes inside the box for PD and meetings to help make these changes: Add your ideas / experiences here;

49:45 - Peggy George (Steve Hargadon’ blog posts with educational quotes)

50:00 - Peggy George
also this:

50:01 - Doug Henry in San Leandro, CA
So great to know there are educators who think like this!

50:28 - Patti Ruffing
google searches will not produce the same results for each person now because of search "learning" what things you are interested in...sometime good, sometimes not

50:49 - Nina Peery
So we would not teach a child to multiply to they had a need to know how to multiply?

50:49 - Peggy George
but systems often don't acknowledge or accept self-directed learning to meet system requirements

51:51 - Sheri Edwards @grammasheri
Great thinking here...

52:20 - Peggy George
thanks for making that distinction Steve!

52:27 - @plnaugle (Paula)
The dropout rate in our country makes it necessary to start a learning revolution. How can we research everyone's needs in formal educational settings?

52:41 - @plnaugle (Paula)
*reach not research

52:53 - Peggy George
great question Paula!

54:01 - Peggy George
"strict institutionalization will never meet everyone's needs!" very true!

54:27 - Peggy George
doesn't leave room for following your passions as student or teacher or learner!

54:39 - Sheri Edwards @grammasheri
Already in our classrooms, our students learn in our lessons what they need, which may be different than our intention. We need to make this clear to those mandating our instruction.

54:50 - @plnaugle (Paula)
Should elem schools be the place where students learn to be learners, and then choose their own learning paths in MS and HS?

55:04 - Peggy George
and we don't even really know what we are preparing our students for!

55:11 - Sheri Edwards @grammasheri
I think so Paula

55:21 - Patricia Smeyers #2
I give student-led opportunities in elementary but I had to teach them how to proceed

55:43 - Eileen
Great food for thought, Steve!

56:01 - Christopher Denny 1
Thank you, Steve, for your comments. Definitely need to change some thinking.

56:04 - Tiziana Angiolini ( ITALY)
Thanks a lot!(y)

56:09 - Sheri Edwards @grammasheri
Thanks... gotta get to my team Prevent Breast Cancer. Thanks Steve...and all.

56:11 - Steve Hargadon
Thanks for letting me think out loud!

56:17 - Patricia Smeyers #2
Thank you, Steve!

56:19 - Brendon Cleer
thank you

56:23 - tam 1
thank you!

56:23 - Doug Henry in San Leandro, CA
Great webinar, as always... Thanks!

56:41 - Laura Antichi 5

57:55 - @plnaugle (Paula)
Virtual applause for Steve. Lots to think about.

58:06 - K. Gradel ("kg")
Woot woot for Steve.

58:10 - Melissa Getz #2
Thank you, Steve, for taking a Saturday to inspire us.

58:16 - Eileen
Great show! Thank you!

58:17 - Peggy George (DEN Fall Virtual Conference, October 22, 2016)

58:21 - Patti Ruffing
thanks for sharing with us, Steve

58:24 - Peggy George (4T Virtual Conference on Digital Writing)

58:25 - @plnaugle (Paula)
Have a wonderful weekend everyone.

58:39 - Peggy George (The Learning Revolution Network created by Steve Hargadon)

58:51 - Peggy George (Classroom 2.0 LIVE survey link to request PD certificates for live or recorded webinars)

58:51 - Suzana Lazarevic Petrovic
Bye and thx!See You tomorrow!

58:52 - Tiziana Angiolini ( ITALY)
(y)(y) thanks . Looking forward to next Saturday . Have a nice weekend!!

59:01 - Peggy George
Thank you all for joining us! Have a great weekend!

59:08 - Janet P #2
Many thanks

59:09 - Steve Hargadon
Missed Jonathan!

59:16 - Peggy George
so sorry Jonathan couldn't join us!

Oct 8, 2016 9:09:44 AM