• Introduction and Thanks
  • Who Really Is a Beginner?
    • How do we help them
    • History of CR 2.0
  • The "Irony" :)
  • What is Web 2.0?
    • Read/write web
    • The hard issue
  • Blogs
  • Wikis
  • RSS
  • Other tools educators are using
    • Social Bookmarking
    • Collaborative Documents
    • VoiceThread


Chat Log:

Joined on April 2, 2008 at 4:50 PM


James Walker: James is from Wester MA


EricR: Eric - NYC


James Walker: The Springfield area


EricR: No mic... I'm usually loud enough without


Moderator: Eric


Moderator: Don't know if that's going to work here!


Moderator: We'll start formally in 1 minute.


Moderator: Good conversation!


Moderator: Will you even need a resume?


Moderator:


Moderator: Will you get a job through your network?


Moderator: By that point.


Moderator: OK, time to start!


EricR: can I check both..?


RS: sometimes i think i know stuff... but don't really


Jay Bennett: My checkmark won't work, count me as a check


EricR: I have a certain awarenesss but no experience...


Judi: Eric, It's under the word Tools at the top.


Jay Bennett: I got it, duh!


Maureen/bcdtech: I've investigated a bunch of tools, but have a hard time integrating everything


Judi: How do you grab the mike?


Jay Bennett: ctrl+f2


RS: collaborative... that is the word that comes to mind for me... way too scared to take the mike


hshawjr: hello


hshawjr: lecture/drill/kill


Jay Bennett: i saw will richardson talk about it


hshawjr: and learning from each other


Maureen/bcdtech: yes, information overload, but the power balance is shifting away from experts/historians


Jay Bennett: just vicariously at this time


EricR: My school is actively pursuing development of 2.0 understanding and adoption.. The biggest impediment is time...


RS: our IT department discourages the use of web 2.0 tools


hshawjr: example is what was available yesterday was blocked today after the "techies" reviewed what we were actually using


Robert Caro: IT interference is my BIGGEST problem!!


EricR: We're a laptop independent school - the philosophy has always to be open


hshawjr: really crimped my classroom this morning and it was done arbitrarily


Maureen/bcdtech: Yes, 1st time today- couldn't open anything that was flash or streaming... worked this morning, not this afternoon..very frustrating


RS: I Agree - IT is stopping us in our tracks...


Robert Caro: Am I willing to put my job on the line to make that point?


Robert Caro: I will need much more than a support group


hshawjr: they say it is because of liability concerns and the current laws


EricR: No mic -


Robert: my it is so overworked I kept helping not they made me a member of the IT


RS: sorry - nope


RS: no mic


Maureen/bcdtech: @hshawr- was it something just today... seems like sonicwall did funky things today


metaweb(Frank): hello from Mexico


RS: I think that it increases teacher responsiblity... but we have teachers more than willing to take that on


hshawjr: @Maureen Maine dropped all our files


Maureen/bcdtech: our business office claims that it is a liability issue and our insurance co requires that no one has access to the firewall


Jay Bennett: blame it on the lwayers


EricR: We've had to manage that as part of the laptop program so there is nothing new in terms of dealing with 2.0. Teachers are hungry for pedagogically helpful tools - not just IT playthings.


Jay Bennett: or the lawyers


lisaharrison: I tried blogging with my second graders for the first time this year and it was great. Now, because of worried parents, all lower school blogs need to be password protected. I can't make the kinds of connections with other teachers and classes around the world like I was before. Frustrating.


Robert: how long does it take to ghost a broken computer


hshawjr: another thing is no differentiation between student and teachers, don't think that we are professional enough to not "hit" bad sites


Lorna: Parent education is a key element


James Walker: Yes parents and board od ed need to be involved


Maureen/bcdtech: I think it's funny that they trust teachers with the kids, go on field trips, etc... overnights- but can't trust them to monitor classroom use of computers


hshawjr: Change the laws to protect schools and teachers, but that won't happen in my lifetime.


Maureen/bcdtech: We need to teach the kids how to deal with the real world of the internet, not a bubble


hshawjr: Sometimes they need to have someone to blame and we happen to be in the crosshairs


hshawjr: Classroom 2.0 was blocked this afternoon and I have a request in to unblock


RS: I think the media scares parents...


Maureen/bcdtech: Did anyone see the VT on someone's blog for parents as partners... to help educate them


Robert Caro: I would be more willing to fight if I had better ammunition


EricR: We have a well developed acceptable use policy that has to be signed by students and parents


James Walker: Good for you Jay


Maureen/bcdtech: Oh- good!


Maureen/bcdtech: Great idea for the VT


Robert Caro: Eric - If a student violates the AU policy, do you kick them out of the course, and transfer them to another class?


Maureen/bcdtech: @Lorna- great pictures too!


hshawjr: When someone swears in class or brings a playboy to school what is the policy???


Robert Caro: The best I can do is to send them to the back of the room with a page of math problems and a pencil. That does slow it down a bit.


James Walker: Curse words in the bathroom


Maureen/bcdtech: It's a blame the media- do we ban all magazines because Playboy is a magazine?


EricR: No - depending on the violoation - they might be called on the carpet with their parents - they might be suspended..


James Walker: More childern are harmed by people they know than a stranger onlin


hshawjr: Bad news is great for the ratings


lisaharrison: Can you put the link up to Parents as Partners VT?


kstashuk: @Lorna - where is your blog/ voicethread?


Lorna: www.ourschool.ca


Judi: Thanks, Lorna


RS: thanks!


hshawjr: We are 10 years away from actually being able to use many of the things on a daily basis, just because the "mental shift" hasn't been made by this generation of parents


Maureen/bcdtech: I don't understand the connections that my 25 yr old daughter feels with her constant texting, etc...


minh: The parents are the challenge


hshawjr: the kids are normal, trying to see how far they can push the limits. I know I did when I was in school, that is why having a teacher there to "moderate" their actions online is a great thing, better than no supervision or having computer in bedroom.


Moderator: I'm living proof of that, jay


EricR: But these are risks that we have experienced and navigated - for most people "computer risk" is much more mysterious


Moderator: Robert, just jump in when Jay is done.


Maureen/bcdtech: The culture of supervision and the helicopter parents that I see at my school ( independent) are a big change since I grew up. A lot of it is just plain media hype and the new strange role of "parenting". Parenting was not a verb when I grew up


Lorna: students that engage in risky behaviour onoine usually are the studnents same thing in real time


Moderator: Oh, helicopter parents.


Moderator: Fascinating connection.


minh: So we need to take the parents with their children into the cybrspatial unknown & show them what they can do; show them how they can be part of it


Moderator: Yes, parents *used* to let kids ride their bikes. But now they mostly don't.


Lorna: yes we need to take parents down the road


Moderator: A Web 2.0 workshop for parents.


Lorna: have parents make the video's together and post online


Maureen/bcdtech: @Lorna- that's what is great about your VT- activley involving parents in the medium


Moderator: Could that be done on a broader scale.


minh: The parents need to be embraced as part of the pedagogy


Lorna: VT is web 2.0 parent workshop in the making


Robert Caro: Not dangerous, just more educational


hshawjr: Helicopter parents or the other extreme the "not at home" parent, sometimes I don't know which is worse?


Maureen/bcdtech: Yes, I teach that in 7th grade


Moderator: I don't know that I'd made the connection between the changes in physical safety concerns and online safety.


Moderator: It's never been safer to be a child, but most kids aren't allowed to be off on their own.


minh: Classroom blogging - parent input/comment/ contribution


Maureen/bcdtech: But I had a blog for them, they got both sides and one of the ? asked was is the media hyping this. Overwhelmingly the kids said yes, but that they felt that most of it was for their "own good"


Robert Caro: I have turned off student-to-student email within our system at my school


hshawjr: We had gaggle.net and have to really monitor it, cyberbullying was/is the issue.


Robert Caro: Judy's right - put Cyberbullying, and IT dept problems on another meetup


Maureen/bcdtech: I've had success with VT- works well with younger kids- parents love it as well


hshawjr: I have permission to setup an Edublog next week and start it - any suggestions


Jay Bennett: gcast


RS: we have had great success with podcasting... and voicethread


lisaharrison: Voice Thread is great for all ages! Reciting poetry, comments on photos taken on a fieldtrip, etc. Podcasting is also great and parents do love it!


shaun fletcher: digital storytelling would be my choice to begin with, Voicethread


srenatee: i like voicethread better--easier


lisaharrison: Voice Thread is simple.


Maureen/bcdtech: I've just started to use blogs and wikis this year with middle school kids... not really feeling successful yet


srenatee: also...puts a face with production


Jack: gcast.com


Jack: www.gcast.com


Maureen/bcdtech: No cell phone access from my house- in the sitcks


RS: we have "teachers on special assignemnt" - teachers that go into the classrooms and provide real time help to teachers trying these things


shaun fletcher: I started with my own wiki, student blog, then student wiki, voicethread


Jay Bennett: you can use your landline


Jay Bennett: any phone will do


Robert Caro: <I have to attend these meetings with two computers. the other one is for Googling all the new things I hear about>


srenatee: yes, and now vc has ed version....safer


Maureen/bcdtech: I meant on field trips, etc.. where it would be so much fun to post photos, podcasts etc right from the field


srenatee: i agree Steve


srenatee: wikis can get convouted. i prefer blogging.


hshawjr: I really have a difficult time with Wiki, due to small class sizes, it seems to work better with larger populations or major projects. As a special education teacher it is a difficult concept for them. at the high school level


Dan: I found commenting on blogs gave me the initial push and now it is blogging and wikis.


hshawjr: blogging is more reflective and how my mind works


Maureen/bcdtech: I'm doing one now with 8th... real split. Half are loving it, half don't. Great organizational tool, but not really a good communication/collaboration tool


Dan: @hshawr-I agree, wikis can be difficult in small groups.


Judi: Which free wiki site do you like best?


James Walker: wikispaces


Maureen/bcdtech: wikispaces


kstashuk: What sort of information are people putting in ther blogs/wiki's in a 'classroom' environment (not talking PD with others)


shaun fletcher: wikispaces


Maureen/bcdtech: Wiki on web tool evaluations, blog on internet safety


Dan: I teach AIS math, so I am using a wiki as a conversation tool around weekly problems.


srenatee: i am still level one...since i never fooled w/ webpages. as old english teacher i have the journaling mindset


Lorna: there is an issue with newbies understaning how a blog reads


Judi: This school has some wonderful podcasts by students http://www.mpsomaha.org/willow/radio/


shaun fletcher: http://science8fletch.wikispaces.com/


Maureen/bcdtech: In 7th grade


hshawjr: Rss difficult concept for students initially and non techie teachers really have a hard time wrapping head around it.


Moderator: srenatee, just goe ahead after Judy and James finish.


philmiller: hshawjy i agree with you


Moderator: srenatee--want to go ahead?


lisaharrison: RSS and twitter have been fantastic for my own professional development.


philmiller: seems to be a concept very foriegn to them


Maureen/bcdtech: I'll have 8th graders use visualisus for photos that they need for a project


Lorna: yes fantastic idea


hshawjr: @lisaharrison I agree have been twittering a week and before I would have attended these sessions


Lorna: count me in


RS: i think that would be great...


Maureen/bcdtech: I like the commoncraft explanations'


shaun fletcher: in plain english is a good place to start


srenatee: i would put that on my google calendar!!


shaun fletcher: yeah common craft


hshawjr: I would love that, you have the POWER Steve


philmiller: i send the common craft to any one who asks, first place to start


Lorna: do it in time for the Next P as P webcast


hshawjr: I went to a MEA/NEA conference Saturday and 3/4 of educators in workshop had not seen Did you Know yet - scary


srenatee: no, it doesn't


srenatee: on slideshare, there are great preso's on these topics


philmiller: i htink people hear about 2.0 wonder what it is and why do i need to know aout it. How will it help me. many times they are afraid of it, thinking that it will add to their work load


srenatee: vicki davis, david warlick, joyce valenza, et al


Lorna: when people do not know something they can be afriad


Robert Caro: I've found a youtube video on web 2.0 in the classroom by Mike mureau? Anybody Know him?


RS: it is so good...


Maureen/bcdtech: Matt Needleman


Jack: where is the video?


philmiller: it can be difficult to help them not be afraid


Judi: How do we find the Rip Van Wrinkle video?


Lorna: is this it http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=0LzQIUANnHc


Lorna: go for it


Jay Bennett: that would be sweet


philmiller: they just opend a stor today


philmiller: store


RS: i think ti would be excellent


Lorna: all geat ideas Steve


philmiller: to sell licenses for thier videos


Lorna: april 7th 8:00 PM EST (GMT-5)


James Walker: parent involvment is important


Lorna: next show


Lorna: yes


philmiller: http://www.commoncraft.com/store


RS: great resource


Maureen/bcdtech: OK.. How can we, as web 2.0 advocates help teachers get to know how to use web 2.0 without overwhelming them?


philmiller: can we get a link for that?


Lorna: type the link pls Steve


Moderator: www.learningevents.org


philmiller: yes maureen exactly


Moderator: or http://learningevents.wikispaces.com


James Walker: edtech talke is my favoite podcast


Maureen/bcdtech: I'm teaching a moodle class on web 2.0 and I am overwhelming my teachers


srenatee: amen bro.


hshawjr: edtech talk on in 8 min???


Jay Bennett: ya went chimpmunk on us there


James Walker: Maureen same here


RS: this has been excellent! THANKS!!!!


Robert Caro: I want to create a moodle course for teaching my teachers to use eChalk


hshawjr: Great job Steve!


shaun fletcher: steve the wiki looks excellent


lisaharrison: thanks! I always come away with new ideas.


Lorna: love elluminiate


philmiller: i love this, thanks.


Maureen/bcdtech: @Lorna- nice to put a "voice" to the VT I admired today


Judi: Look forward to more of these.


Lorna: Thanks Maureen


hshawjr: Have fun


Jay Bennett: steve rocks!


srenatee: very enjoyable.


Maureen/bcdtech: Thanks Steve!


RS: I will be bringing friends next time!


hshawjr: No longer on an island


Lorraine: thanks..


EricR: see you tomorrow for the Ning discussion


srenatee: nite. thanks all. heading to SL ISTE!!!


Robert Caro: exiting now...


srenatee: come on to second life

Left on April 2, 2008 at 5:55 PM